I remember watching this footage live.....terrible. New yORK SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR EVEN CONSIDERING THAT EYESORE A MEMORIAL !!
I remember watching this footage live.....terrible. New yORK SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR EVEN CONSIDERING THAT EYESORE A MEMORIAL !!
I agree with you guys that memorial is horrible it looks like its been half built by young tots with lego bricks sorry but they could of done better considering the circumstances of why its there.
I dunno why and I may have read something somewhere but I always thought this crash was sabatoge.
I remember hearing that somebody that should have been in the world trade center on 9/11 (didn't go in that day) was on flight 587.
also, I wouldn't say this crash was forgotten... of all the plane crashes each year this one is far from forgotten. Some plane probably went down this month that I never even heard of.
I don't know if this has already been posted or not but I found this site quite interesting
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/famous.htm
Thanks tons to look at.
Not really relevant here but I recently found a site that lets you hear the cockpit recordings of plane crashes. Kind of hard to listen to, but morbidly interesting at the same time...
Here it is, if you are interested:
http://airdisaster.com/cvr/cvrwav.shtml
Thanks, good forum
I've been reading that site for years now! Very interesting but also a bit overwhelming at times.
Now why isn't this ever mentioned about the Wrong Bros?
One of them contributed to history with the first avaiation death and was injured!
"During a demonstration flight, a U.S. Army flyer flown by Orville Wright nose-dived into the ground from a height of approximately 75 feet, killing Lt. Thomas E. Selfridge who was a passenger. This was the first recorded airplane fatality in history. One of two propellers separated in flight, tearing loose the wires bracing the rudder and causing the loss of control of the aircraft. Orville Wright suffered broken ribs, pelvis and a leg. Selfridge suffered a crushed skull and died a short time later. 1 killed"
Cool, thanks!
Very disturbing. I'm a reluctant flier anyway, hate the lack of control...thanks, I'll spend a few hours at least checking this out!
Thanks for posting this. It looks very interesting.
Kewl!
This site messed me up when I found it a few years back!!! But I'm addicted to traveling so I get on a plane at least 5 times a year!
Plane crashes are my deathhag weakness...
Alaska Airlines Flight 261, a McDonnell Douglas MD-83 aircraft, crashed on January 31, 2000 in the Pacific Ocean about 2.7 miles (4.3 km) north of Anacapa Island, California. The two pilots, three cabin crewmembers, and 83 passengers on board were killed, and the airplane was destroyed. Alaska 261 was a scheduled international passenger flight from Lic. Gustavo DÃ*az Ordaz International Airport (PVR), Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, to Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (SEA), with an intermediate stop planned at San Francisco International Airport (SFO).[1]
The subsequent investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board determined that inadequate maintenance led to excessive wear and catastrophic failure of a critical flight control system during flight. The probable cause was stated to be "a loss of airplane pitch control resulting from the in-flight failure of the horizontal stabilizer trim system jackscrew assemblyâ??s acme nut threads. The thread failure was caused by excessive wear resulting from Alaska Airlinesâ?? insufficient lubrication of the jackscrew assembly."
Passengers
47 of the passengers were bound for Seattle and 3 of the crew members were based in Seattle. Most of the other passengers were bound for San Francisco [2].
Of the occupants, at least 35, including 12 employees[3], were connected to Alaska Airlines or Horizon Air in some manner [4], leading many airline employees to mourn for the losses in the crash.
Notable passengers
Initial flight segment
- Morris Thompson, Commissioner of the Bureau of Indian Affairs in the late 1960s and early 1970s, died with his wife and daughter. [5]
- Tom Stockley, wine writer for the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
Alaska 261 departed from PVR at 1:37 p.m. PST, and climbed to its intended cruising altitude of flight level 310 (31,000 feet). Approximately 2 hours into the flight, the flight crew, consisting of captain Ted Thompson and first officer William "Bill" Tansky, first contacted the airline's dispatch and maintenance control facilities in SEA, and on a shared company radio with operations and maintenance facilities at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) discussed a jammed horizontal stabilizer and a possible diversion to LAX.[6] The jammed stabilizer prevented operation of the trim system, which normally would make slight adjustments to the flight control surfaces to keep the plane stable in flight. At their cruising altitude and speed the position of the jammed stabilizer required the pilots to pull on their controls with approximately 10 pounds of force to keep level.[6] Neither the flight crew, nor company maintenance, were able to determine the cause of the jam.[6] Repeated attempts to overcome the jam with the primary and alternate trim systems were unsuccessful[6]
During this time the flight crew had several discussions with the company dispatcher about whether to divert to LAX, or continue on as planned to SFO. Ultimately the pilots chose to divert.[6] Later the NTSB found that while "the flight crew's decision to divert the flight to Los Angeles...was prudent and appropriate", nonetheless "Alaska Airlines dispatch personnel appear to have attempted to influence the flight crew to continue to San Francisco...instead of diverting to Los Angeles."[6] Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) transcripts indicate that the dispatcher was concerned about the effect on the schedule ("flow") should the flight divert.
Aftermath
Memorial Sundial
The families of the victims approved the construction of a memorial sundial that was placed at Port Hueneme. The sundial was designed by Santa Barbara artist Bud Bottoms to cast a shadow on a memorial plaque at 4:22 p.m. each January 31st.[12]
For their actions during the emergency, Captain Ted Thompson and First Officer Bill Tansky were awarded the Airline Pilots Association Gold Medal for Heroism, the only time the award has been given posthumously.[13]
Both Boeing and Alaska Airlines eventually conceded liability for the crash, and all but one of the lawsuits brought by surviving family members were settled out-of-court before going to trial.[14] Two victims from Alaska 261 were falsely accused of being the fathers of children in Guatemala in an attempt to gain insurance and settlement money. DNA testing revealed these allegations to be false.[15]
This crash was featured in a 2004 episode of National Geographic Channel's Air Crash Investigation television program (originally known as Mayday and also known as Air Emergency), titled Cutting Corners or Fatal Error.
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Thanks, Brad! Airplane crashes really interest me, too.
I have National Geographic programme on this. At one point the aircraft tipped upside down before going into its final dive, it must have been terrifying for everyone on board.
From what I remember they were actually flying upside down for at least a brief period of time.
If you guys haven't discovered it, there is a lovely little death hag airplane crash site called www.airdisaster.com.
Yes, it even has pictures.
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Like others of you on the forum, I am a plane crash hag too. The recent post on the Alaska plane crash had me thinking about the most chilling crash photo I have seen. I mean, can you imagine going outside your house, looking up, and seeing this???
For reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_Flight_182
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-psa182.shtml
I was 10 when this happened and out in Cali visiting rellies.
I remember it.
Boy, those transcripts of the pilots are chilling. Joking that they hoped they missed the Cessna and then in the next minute saying This is it baby.
Yeah, that pic is haunting. I can't imagine a 727 crashing into a neighborhood. The saddest is (according to the transcript) when one the pilots at the very end says, "Mom, I love ya".
OMG, I could not even imagine. I would think of my family and pray, pray, pray. The movie, Fearless, with Jeff Bridges is about a guy surviving a plane crash.. with a sort of PTSD. The crash scene in that has me sobbing every time.
I am surprised I am not terrified of flying, looking at all this stuff. But I suppose it would be like being scared to drive. I guess it's all relative.
well this is just the thread i need to see -- i'm flying to london in 2 weeks! i checked though and i think british airways has a pretty good no-crashing record. or if they did crash, it wasnt TOO bad and not everyone died so at least i might have a chance. unless i'm looking in the wrong place. if i am, don't tell me the british airways horror stories until after 3/22. ok thanks
either way, i'm still obsessed with crashes too. and i can't imagine what it would be like to be on one either. but i'll keep it at wondering what it would be like because i dont need any first-hand experiences..
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Excellent thread!!!
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Shellbell, that is a most horrifying picture. I would need to change my britches if I looked out my window and saw that.
I'm not a happy flyer in the best of circumstances. One of my husband's first careers was an aircraft mechanic. He delights in telling me things I really don't need to know about airplanes. Oh, and as part of his training, his class got to view some of the debris from Flight 255 here in Michigan. That was a horrible one as well, the plane crashed on an expressway.
I've always wondered what the typical injury is for someone who dies in a plane crash like the Alaska Air one in California or the one that happened right after 9/11 in New York. Are all the bodies just mush, or do they still resemble themselves but have multiple broken bones, blunt force trauma or ??? I've asked this question a couple of times on this forum, but no one has ever known for sure.
One death hag did mention that her Dad investigated the aftermath of one plane crash, and there were shoes strewn for miles. Not a single victim still had their shoes on. This was true of 9/11 at the WTC, lots of shoes but no victims. It was like they had been vaporized into thin air.
Any day above ground is a good day.
I have never investigated a plane crash, even a small one, but I have seen pics at our Medical Examiners Conference that we have each year. It depends on the crash. The bodies from TWA Flight 800 were mostly intact, albeit some jet fuel burns. There are a couple of pictures of TWA bodies in one of Badens books.
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Heres some fucjkin cool fottage of a recent near crash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueJeC2pxxbM
This is why I hate flying.
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thanks, Ill check it out when i wake up. unless of course, I dont. lol
I'm going to be flying in a couple weeks, so this is right on time!!! Thanks!
I am pretty sure that people are torn apart... the seats from the back of the plane usually dislodge and ram into the seats in front of them at 500+ miles per hour, ripping the people in those seats apart too. And depending on the angle of descent, the conditions on the ground (bounders, trees, mountains etc...) when the plane breaks apart, the more things there are for flying bodies to hit, the more pieces the bodies are likely to be torn into. When you see a plane crash site, you will see lots of yellow sheets covering various sized parts of bodies, and yellow flags indicating that they've found another bit.
The thing about shoes has always bothered me too. People get hit by a bus, and their shoes fly off. This is true... I passed out in the street and one of my shoes came off. I wasn't unconscious long, I cut my arm badly... but I was more weirded out about seeing my shoe and having to untie it and put it back on. It was a shoe with laces, that were still tied. THAT's weird, is it not?
I think my fascination with plane crashes is why I fly for leasure as often as I do. When I'm sitting in the plane at the gate I'm looking around like a camera panning slowly taking in the sounds and sights as if it's a documentary of the flight (or maybe I think I'm going to be one of the survivors).
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Storm blows jetliner off runway
Battling blustery weather, a Lufthansa Airlines flight scrapes its wing on the ground during a landing attempt.
This is a GREAT piece of footage! We landed at Vegas like this once.
I'm flying in a couple weeks and I'm more worried about the germs... there are more chances of being hit by drunk drivers on the ground! Once I was on a plane, and the lady next to me kept saying, "My mother begged me not to get on this flight, she has a sense about these things, she knows it is going to crash!" She had tears in her eyes. I was about 17. Isn't that just an awful thing to do to someone? The best part was, I got off in Eureka CA. She was going on to Washington State. After my anxiety ridden flight, I got out of my seat and I looked at her, and said "Well, I guess you get to die now." Apparently there was always a bit of Death Hag in me...she deserved it... and the plane didn't go down, I kept watching the paper for it. So much for her psychic mom.
Originally Posted by deathybradRead post 51.
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September 25, 1978, the PSA crash over San Diego, I remember it like it was yesterday. My Mom worked for the State of California here in Los Angeles. When you work for the State, depending on what project you're working, you get to fly back and forth to the State Capitol (Sacramento) at least once a month. Other times, you get to fly back and forth to wherever there's some big State issue happening, which could mean San Diego, San Francisco, Santa Barbara, San Jose, or Fresno. Sometimes you don't get much notice to go, depending on the issue.
To make a long story short, my Mom was in Sacto for a meeting the day before, but comes home from work around noon on the 25th, absolutely weeping, and we're all wondering what the hell happened. A memo came out saying that nine of her colleagues were killed in the San Diego crash. They had all flown down from Sacto together, but she got off in LA, and they went on to San Diego. She had just seen them about an hour before they were all killed.
The next day one of the local newspapers listed all of those who were killed, and I remember her sitting at the kitchen table crying her eyes out.
Any day above ground is a good day.
This made me tear up. What's most striking to me is the realization that this could happen to any of us. One never knows.
I had not seen one photo in the above youtube link. It shows a plane with a wing on fire and it's kind of dark all around. I wonder if that was from this crash too.
Here's the "Oh my god" picture, you can see a chunk is missing from the wing:
http://www.catchoursmile.com/myweb/PSA182.jpg
This one freaks me out as bad as the PSA Flight 182 picture does:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AA_Flight_191
If you have a DVR or VCR, the National Geographic channel is running an episode of Seconds from Disaster that pertains to the Flight 191 crash. It's on Wednesday the 12th at 3am eastern time.
1- I hate to fly. I will not do it. The last time I flew, I was a nervous wreck. for some reason I was so shaken from the flight, I almost kissed the ground, when I got off the plane.So, now I travel by train or bus.
2-That Memorial looks terrible. Someone should kick somebody's ass for that Kindergarden design !