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    Q. what was the next thing that happened?
    A. It was around, I want to say about 8:30, and I told the boys that they needed to tell their friends, you know, that they needed to go home, that it was time to come in. I think Devon had said something about wanting to spend the night with a friend, but he had just had a little boy named Michael over the night before, and plus, they had kind of gotten in a little bit of trouble, for emptying out, all of the water in the hot tub from their father. So, any way, he was told that he couldn't have Jonathan to spend the night. That he could have him spend the night another night.
    Q. Okay. Darin left to take Dana home?
    A. Yeah. After the boys came in, I guess everybody has seen the pictures, but when you walk into the house through the sliding glass doors, I had these, like plastic runners down on the floor, and, there was a reason for that, because the boys liked to run in and out of the house soaking wet. And, they track in, you know, they track in a lot of dirt and stuff on their feet. And, when they came in, I told them that they needed to go upstairs and get dry clothes on. And, they went upstairs, and I vacuumed over there, 4836 I because they had drug in quite a bit of dirt of of their feet. A few minutes later, the boys came downstairs with their pillows and blankets and asked if they could watch TV downstairs. A little bit after that, 1 asked Darin if he could drive Dana home. And he said he would.
    Q. Okay. About how long was Darin gone?
    A. Maybe 30 minutes.
    Q. Okay. And you said that you had used the vacuum cleaner to sweep up there in the den; is that right?
    A. Yeah, over by the sliding glass doors.
    Q. Okay. And, do you recall where the-where you would have left the vacuum cleaner after 16 you had cleaned up? Do you remember?
    A. I think it was right over by where the outlet was, over by the down from the sliding glass doors.
    Q. Out by the bar?
    A. Yes.
    Q. Okay. Now, Darin got home, about what time is it now, Darlie?
    A. It was probably a little bit after 10:00 o'clock. L 4837
    Q. Okay. And where were the boys?
    A. Devon had fallen asleep in front of the TV and Damon was laying down in front of'the TV, and he had not fallen asleep yet.
    Q. Okay?
    A. Drake was on me, laying on me. I was laying on the couch.
    Q. Okay. And, did you and Darin call when he came in -- I mean, did you and Darin talk when he came in?
    A. Yeah, when Darin came in, the baby was getting pretty fussy, and so I made him a bottle and Darin said that he was going to take him upstairs and rock him. I usually rocked him every night and sang to him, and Darin said that he was going to do that, and he wanted to watch the news. I don't really like to watch the news. I think there is too much negative stuff on the news. But any way, I was watching something else. I don't know what I was watching, but I was watching something else on TV.
    Q. Did you all have a big screen TV set downstairs as well?
    A. Yeah, it was an older one, but yes. 4838
    Q. In the family room?
    A. Um-hum.(Witness nodding head affirmatively). Yes, sir.
    Q. Okay. And, I'll ask you if Darin eventually came down from upstairs?
    A. Yes, he did.
    Q. And did y'all continue to talk?
    A. Yes, we did.
    Q. Okay. Do you recall when you decided that you would spend the night downstairs?
    A. It was sometime after that.
    Q. Okay. And how were you dressed at that time?
    A. I just had on a T-shirt and panties. Or not really a T-shirt, it was like a night shirt, a little bit longer than a regular T-shirt.
    Q. Okay. Kind of an over sized T-shirt?
    A. Yeah.
    Q. That ladies wear?
    A. Yeah.
    Q. All right. Now, I'll ask you if we have had occasion to listen to the 911 tape, Darlie?
    A. Yes, sir. Several times
    Q. And have we -- a number of times, haven't we? 4839
    A. Yes.
    Q. And, have we looked at the State's transcription of the 911 tape and listen to the tape itself, to check it's accuracy?
    A. Many times.
    Q. Okay. And, in listening to the 911 tape, have we made some corrections in the State's version?
    A. Some.
    Q. Okay. Let me hand you what has been marked for identification for record purposes, as defendant's exhibit number 96-A, and I'll ask you if this shows the State's version of the transcript of the 911 tape, and in -- we where there is discrepancy, or we think we hear something different, we have put in, bold print, italics, what we believe is actually said?
    A. Right underneath it?
    Q. Yes?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Is that correct?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Okay. And then on, defendant's exhibits number 96-B, it is simply our version of what the 911 tape says, without calling attention to it, and we have excised what the State has in places that we 4840 disagree; is that correct?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. All right. All right.
    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: We would offer in evidence what has been marked for identification, for record purposes as, Defendant's exhibit Number 96.
    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: And, Sandy, what I'm going to do, is just mark this our version as 96, and with the 96-A is,the enhanced version.
    THE COURT: Any objection?
    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Judge, we would offer in evidence --. 4841
    MR. TOBY SHOOK:: Which is it? The first one or both?
    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: We're going to offer both into evidence.
    MR. TOBY SHOOK: I may take the witness on voir dire, Judge?
    THE COURT: You may indeed. VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION BY
    MR. TOBY SHOOK:
    Q. So I take it, Mrs. Routier, that I guess, is it 96-A, has in heavy print, another interpretation that you listened to, that you think the 911 tape says?
    A. Yes, sir, it's not that much different.
    Q. Okay. So any time we see a bold printing, that is what you think is different?
    A. Yes.
    Q. You think that?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. And did you interpret this tape, or did have you any help interpreting this tape? 4842 As far as what I heard, I interpreted it. there were other people listening as well.
    Q. Who else was listening?
    A. Lloyd Harrellson.
    Q. Is that Mr. Harrell?
    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Harrell.
    THE WITNESS: Harrell, I'm sorry. And I think Preston also. BY
    MR. TOBY SHOOK:
    Q. Mr. Douglass here?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. All right. Are all of changes here, were those your ideas or did they hear things that you didn't hear and have those put in also?
    A. It was a group effort, but I went through most of it too, and whatever I made, I wrote down on paper, next to what they said, and they went over it, and then they listened to see if they could hear the same things that I heard.
    Q. And then you had this printed up to show your interpretation?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Okay. 4843
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    MR. TOBY SHOOK: All right, no objection then, your Honor.
    THE COURT: All right. Both defendant's exhibits number 96 and 96-A are admitted.
    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Okay. I would like to pass these out to the jurors.
    THE COURT: You may.
    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: All right. Let me show you this, so it doesn't get any more confusing than it has to. This is,-- pass those around. Okay. Pass those around. All right. All right.
    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: All right. Now the one I am handing you now is, it shows the State version as well.
    DIRECT EXAMINATION

    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER:
    Q. Darlie, let me ask you this: When you see something written on the TV screen, do you have a tendency to hear what you read?
    A. Yes, sir.
    MR. TOBY SHOOK: Judge, we will object 4844 to leading.
    THE COURT: Sustain the objections Phrase the questions properly, please.
    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: What I would like to do, Judge, is play this once with the jury following the 911 tape. And where they can see the --
    THE COURT: That's fine.
    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: I want them to listen to it, and where they see the italicized part, they will know there is discrepancy there, and then I want to play it again for them, once they understand where the problems are, and then I want to play it again for them, looking at our version.
    THE COURT: Okay. You are going to play it three times?
    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Yes, sir.
    THE COURT: Yes, sir, well that is fine. That is fine. All right.
    MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Our electrician a little --
    THE COURT: All right. While we're assembling all of the mechanical devices, we are going to take a 10 minute break.
    THE COURT: All right.
    THE COURT: All right. Be seated please. Bring the jury in please. THE COURT: All right. Let the record 46
    A. As chaotic as it was, I definitely think that is a possibility.
    Q. But if your talking to Waddell, and you are speaking into the phone and the communications operator doesn't know but what you are talking to her?
    A. Yeah whatever she would be hearing.
    Q. Okay. Likewise, if you answer your husband, and you are still talking into the phone, she would have reason to believe that ---
    A. Oh, that I was talking to her. Yeah.
    Q. Of course.
    A. Yeah, yeah.
    Q. And, at one point, toward the end, initially there is a, the communications officer says "don't touch anything." And you said something about a knife, and she said,"Don't touch anything." And you said,"I have already picked it up," or,"I have already touched it.,, Words to that effect?
    A. Yes, so I have heard several times.
    Q. Okay. Now, in another situation in there, Officer Waddell says something about a knife?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Okay. And you made a remark to him?
    A. Yes, sir. 4848
    Q. There is also, a - in the conversation there, there is a direction, and of course you were here when Waddell testified and said he didn't recognize his voice saying to get the rags?
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    Q. Well, don't you wake up whenever the baby moves in his crib?
    A. Yes, sir, but that is not exactly a real light noise.
    Q. So, when you baby rolls over, you wake up?
    A. His crib is on a hardwood floor and it has rollers on it, and when he wiggles and moves, it shakes the whole crib, and it makes, I mean, it's a pretty loud noise.
    Q. That is why you were sleeping downstairs, right?
    A. It's one of the reasons, yes.
    Q. I mean, that is what you put in your voluntary statement, did you not?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. I mean, no one forced you to write 4926 that down, did they?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. I mean, this is in your handwriting?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Okay. And don't you say,"I had been sleeping on the couch the past week or so off and on because the baby slept in our room, in the crib, and when he moved he woke me up?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Okay. So you are a light sleeper, aren't you?
    A. To some degree.
    Q. And, how close would you say Damon was to you when you went to sleep?
    A. How close was Damon?
    Q. Yes, how close was he?
    A. He was very close.
    Q. I mean within one foot, wasn't he?
    A. Pretty much so, yes.
    Q. Easily within one foot, lying there right beside you?
    A. Yes, on the floor.
    Q. Do you think that you could have slept through a man stabbing him four times in the back?
    A. Again, I have no idea. 4927 Well, you know yourself pretty good, do you think you could have slept through that?
    A. Sir, I cannot answer that'. I cannot remember.
    Q. Do you think you could have slept when this man stabbed your 7 year old Devon?
    A. I can't answer that question.
    Q. He was only about four or five feet away from you, wasn't he?
    A. Yes, he was.
    Q. Well, you are a mother aren't you?
    A. Yes, sir, I am.
    Q. And don't mothers, aren't mothers able to tell when their children are in trouble?
    A. I would like to think so.
    Q. Aren't they known for being able to hear those noises?
    A. Have an instinct.
    Q. Have that instinct?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. So, don't you think that you would have woken up if a man started stabbing you?
    A. I have no idea of what happened that night.
    Q. Well certainly you would you have 4928 woken up when he started beating you, wouldn't you?
    A. I have assumed that that is what happened, yes, sir.
    Q. I mean, you would have to be awake to take a beating like that?
    A. I would assume so, yes, sir.
    Q. And, it's your arms that were beaten, weren't they?
    A. As far as I know, yes, sir.
    Q. Okay. I mean, you weren't hit in the face, that's for sure, were you?
    A. Directly in the face?
    Q. Yes, we can't see any bruises on your face, can we?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. Okay. And you weren't stabbed in your face, were you?
    A. Not stabbed. There were marks on my face.
    Q. You weren't beaten in the chest, stomach, back?
    A. I have no idea.
    Q. Well did you ever see any bruises in your chest, in your back?
    A. Not bruises, but there was a mark on my breast.
    Q. But no bruises?
    A. No bruises.
    Q. Okay. You didn't complain to the doctors about a big headache, about being whacked in the head, or being bumped on the head?
    A. Actually I did complain about feeling pain. I didn't complain specifically what areas, I was hurting all over from head to toe.
    Q. Certainly you are going to wake up -- or your are going to wake up when he cut your throat aren't you?
    A. I have no idea, I would assume so.
    Q. You wouldn't sleep through that, would you?
    A. I don't know what happened. I would assume so, but I cannot remember.
    Q. Do you really think that you could have slept when the man cut your throat?
    A. I don't think so.
    Q. You couldn't have slept when you got stabbed in the arm either, could you?
    A. I don't think so.
    Q. Okay. And, if you had awakened, if you had wokenup, when your children were attacked, you 4930 would have screamed, wouldn't you?
    A. Unless my mouth was covered.
    Q. Well, I mean that would -- I guess are there more than one man attacking you?
    A. I have no idea, sir.
    Q. I mean, if there was just one guy, he can only do one thing at a time, can't he?
    A. Um --.
    Q. You only saw one man, didn't you?
    A. I only saw one man, yes, sir.
    Q. Walking away from you. And if there just one man attacking your kids, and you saw him, you would jump up and defend your children, wouldn't you?
    A. I would think so, but again, I cannot remember.
    Q. You would think you would get up?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. And defend your children?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Don't you know you would do that?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. I mean you would defend them with your life, wouldn't you?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. If you saw a man attacking your 4931 children, you would scream your head off, wouldn't you?
    A. Yes, sir, unless my mouth was covered.
    Q. You would scream for you husband, wouldn't you?
    A. Unless my mouth was covered, yes, sir.
    Q. You didn't have problems screaming for him when he finally got up and came down there, did you?
    A. My mouth was not covered.
    Q. Did you find any tape, or any gauze or anything stuffed in your mouth that showed it to be covered?
    A. No just except for that it was torn up inside.
    Q. Okay. It was all torn up inside.
    A. Well, it felt raw.
    Q. Did you talk to the doctors about that?
    A. I talked to the nurse about that, yes I did.
    Q. There is no way you could be prevented from defending your children, and sounding the alarm, if you had seen them being attacked?
    A. What do you mean -- I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
    Q. Well if you had woken up, and some man stabbing your children, you would have tried to stop him, wouldn't you?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Okay. But you have no memory of any of that?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. You must have been beaten first, wouldn't you say?
    A. Sir, I have no idea. I have sat for seven months, and tried to think of every possible thing I could think of what this man did to me.
    Q. Okay.
    A. I don't remember.
    Q. You don't know if you were stabbed first, or beaten on the arms first?
    A. I have no idea. I don't remember.
    Q. And what is the description that you remember, the best description that you have of this man?
    A. It's not much, he was a taller man, with dark hair.
    Q. Okay. Let's start with that. How tall was he?
    A. I cannot give you an exact-I mean, I can just tell you that he was above, I would think above 6 foot. I
    Q. okay. Above 6 foot?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. And I believe you said that he was along Chris Frosch's build; is that right?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Are you talking about height-wise?
    A. Build wise.
    Q. Okay. And,--
    A. I mean, I haven't seen Chris Frosch in, you know, I have just seen him in dress clothes, but he seems to be about the same build.
    Q. Okay. So he is the same height and build as this man walking away?
    A. Well, approximately yes.
    Q. Okay. So the man is over 6 foot you would say?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. And he was a white male?
    A. I don't know that for sure.
    Q. Okay. What kind of hair did he have?
    A. He had longer hair.
    Q. How long was it?
    A. Like here.
    Q. Okay.
    A. Whatever you call that. To his collar?
    A. Yeah.
    Q. What color was it?
    A. Well, as far as I could tell, it was dark, because it was dark in there.
    Q. Okay. And the build he had, he was built like Chris Frosch?
    A. To some degree, yes, sir.
    Q. Okay. Well, to what degree was he not?
    A. Sir, you are asking me to be specific about something that I cannot be specific about.
    Q. Okay. And, you saw his back and that was all?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. As he walked away?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. You didn't yell out for Darin when you saw this man walking?
    A. Actually, it happened all so quick I did yell out for Darin, but it was after a couple of seconds that the guy had already walked out.

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    Q. While were you still on the couch?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. Okay. While you were in the kitchen? Cou A Yes, sir.
    Q. That is when you yelled out for Darin?
    A. That is the first time, yes, sir.
    Q. Who -- in talking to Doctor Clayton yesterday, who is Glen?
    A. I really don't know Glen that well. Glen was somebody that came into the shop. I think that he knew one of the men beside -- that works beside our shop.
    Q. Okay.
    A. And he had come in, and he had said some things to Basia, Barbara, and they weren't very nice things, and I guess his wife was having some problems with that. And, his wife called, and I told her that -- what he did.
    Q. You told his wife?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. When was this?
    A. This was about a year and a half ago.
    Q. Okay. And then, what happened? Did he threaten you in some way?
    A. Yes, he threatened me later over the phone.
    Q. Okay. How long ago was this?
    A. It was about, oh, not quite a year and icial Court R a half.
    Q. Okay. And you say that you gave the police his name?
    A. I told them Glen. I don't think I gave them the last name, because I didn't know his last name at that time.
    Q. What is his last name?
    A. Mize.
    Q. Okay. Now, you did you tell them this guy that just threatened you or did this the guy look like the--
    A. Yeah, I just told them -- they just asked me if there was anybody that we thought I mean, they asked me and Darin together, at one time, if there was anybody that we thought, you know, had ever threatened us or anything like that.
    Q. You are not saying this Glen guy did the killing, are you?
    A. I don't know.
    Q. Well, does he look like the guy?
    A. Well, I have not realy seen Glen.
    Q. Well, when you had seen him, did he look like him?,
    A. Well I haven't seen Glen.
    Q. Well, what does he look like? A Glen?
    Q. Yes.
    A. I don't know.
    Q. You don't know what he looks like?
    A. Not to give you a detailed description, no.
    Q. You have never seen him before?
    A. No. I saw him when we walked in to go and to talk to Basia, but that was a year and a half ago, and I really wasn't paying that much attention.
    Q. Okay. So you really don't know what this Glen guy looks like?
    A. Not really. No, sir. I mean, we have people walk in and out of our shop.
    Q. Okay. You can't tell us if he is a tall guy, or short guy, or fat guy or skinny guy?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. So you don't know if, he would look :L9 anything like this man you saw walking away?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. Okay. So you just told that - you told the police this Glenn guy had threatened you at some point in the past?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Do you think you would recognize Glen ici saw him again?
    A. I don't know.
    Q. Well, we will give it a try.
    A. Okay.
    MR. TOBY SHOOK: Y'all just come on up here, please.
    MR. TOBY SHOOK: All right. Y'all just come on up here please. All right. Stand right here for me please. Okay? BY
    MR. TOBY SHOOK:
    Q. All right. Do you recognize him as being Glen Mize?
    A. Yeah, but the hair looks longer.
    Q. Okay. But this is Glen Mize?
    A. I guess so. Okay.
    MR. TOBY SHOOK: If ylall'could just, I don't want to make it like a beauty pageant, but if you could turn around with your backs to the jury. And also to Miss Routier.
    THE WITNESS: Okay. BY
    MR. TOBY SHOOK:
    Q. All right. They don't really have the same build, do they?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. So can we eliminate Glen Mize as being the one?
    A. I think so.
    Q. Okay. All right. Y'all can go on back. Thank you.
    TOBY SHOOK: All right. So we got Darin out, and we got Glen out?
    A. Yes, Sir.
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    Q. Okay.
    A. To some degree. Well, you remembered it E able to write it down in your voluntary statement on the 8th?
    A. It's in there, yes, sir.
    Q. Okay."I then stood up and turned around and saw glass all over the kitchen floor.,, You remember that, don't you?
    A. if it's in there, yes, sir.
    Q. Your memory back on the Bth was thatyou saw all this glass on the kitchen floor?
    A. I did see some glass on the kitchen floor.
    Q. While your son Damon is lying there bleeding, and your husband was working on Devon?
    A. Well, it was just a glance, it's not, I mean,--
    Q. Then,"I tried to glance over to see if anything was out of place, or if anything as missing"?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. You looked around to see if anything was missing?
    A. Well, when I was standing where the knife was placed, there was, my jewelry was sitting right beside it, and that is what I saw.
    Q. Okay. Why would you want to glance to see if anything was missing?
    A. Because the officer when he came in told me that nothing was gone.
    Q. Okay. So you wanted to look around s for that?
    A. I didn't necessarily look around, I mean, it was like right there in front of my face.
    Q. And you knew nothing was gone?
    A. As far as that, it didn't look like anything was gone.
    Q. You said that several times on the 911 tape?
    A. Yes, sir, I was just responding to what the Officer told me.
    Q. Nothing is touched, nothing is touched?
    A. I think he said, nothing is -- there nothing is gone, I think those were his words.
    Q. And, your interpretation of the 911 tape is that, you never used the word that "I was fighting"; is that right?
    A. No, sir. You can hear it.
    Q. Your interpretation is you were frightening?
    A. I was frightened. Frightened.
    Q. If you say it like that, but when you are running back and forth, and you are out of breath.
    Q. Okay. Let me take a moment, maybe I can use one of these. All right.
    A. What page?
    Q. Five. Okay about the middle of that page, before we get to that?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. You are saying, I believe "some man came in, stabbed my babies stabbed me. I woke up"-- and your version is,"I was frightening"?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Frightening?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q."And he ran out and threw the knife down"7
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Of course our version was,"I was fighting"?
    A. Well, you can listen to it.
    Q. Of course, if you said "I was fighting," that would indicate that you remember what was going on, right?
    A. I'm not sure. Well, if you were able to say on the 911 tape, I was fighting him, that would mean you would have a memory of that attack, wouldn't it?
    A. Well, it does not necessarily mean that.
    Q. It doesn't?
    A. I was talking to three different people at one time.
    Q. But, if you said on the 911 tape, if you said,"I woke up, I was fighting, and he ran through the garage." That would indicate that you do remember what was going on, wouldn't it?
    A. Well, sir, I don't think it says fighting.
    Q. oh, no.
    A. I have listened to this tape a lot of times.
    Q. But if it did say fighting?
    A. I don't think it did say fighting.
    Q. If it did say fighting, wouldn't that indicate that you do remember -?
    A. I don't think it does say fighting. 1 don't think it does say fighting.
    Q. If it did say fighting wouldn't that be an indication that you remember what was going on? fi I don't think it does say fighting.
    Q. Can I take that as a yes then?
    A. I think it says frightening.
    Q. You were frightening?
    A. Yes, sir. You can listen to it.
    Q. Oh, I have?
    A. I know you have.
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    Q. I have lots of times.
    A. So have I.
    THE COURT: All right. Let's just ask questions and answers please.
    BY MR. TOBY L. SHOOK:
    Q. Do you remember talking to Detective Waddell there when he came into your house?
    A. Very briefly.
    Q. Okay. Did you tell Detective Waddell that you had been fighting with the man there at the island area?
    A. No, sir, it would have been on the call as well, and it's not on there.
    Q. Okay. You never told him that any time he was in your house?
    A. No, sir, I didn't. Sandra M. Hals Okay. You remember the paramedic, the one with the nickname Toad?
    A. I only remember them really by their faces.
    Q. He was the one that actually put the bandage on you and walked you out?
    A. I don't remember.
    Q. Okay.
    A. I thought that there were two of them.
    Q. Did you ever make the statement, there in your living room, in front of the paramedic then, that the man was wearing a ball cap, and he broke out the window in the garage?
    A. I don't ever remember saying that.
    Q. Okay. So you don't remember if you said that or not?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. Okay. Do you remember talking to Detective Patterson and Detective Frosch down there, after your operation?
    A. I do remember some of that, yes, sir.
    Q. Okay. And do you remember telling them that morning, that the man was standing over you, and you fought with him on the couch?
    A. No, I heard Patterson say that, but I
    Q. emember saying anything about that.
    Q. So it was Detective Patterson that suggested that?
    A. I think that is what, when he came up here, isn't that what he said7
    Q. He said that, he said, are you fighting with him on the couch?
    A. I'm not sure. He just said something along those lines, I thought, when he was sitting up here, when he was up here the other day.
    Q. Well, you remember the nurse Chris Winegosh?
    A. Again, I only remember the people as they came in here by their face.
    Q. Okay. He was the nurse with glasses that tended to you, after you got out of the operating room. He was the nurse present when Detective Patterson and Frosch talked to you?
    A. Um, I really don't remember that.
    Q. That nurse that gave you the truth serum?
    A. I realy don't remember him.
    Q. Okay. Well, you remember him testifying, don't you?
    A. Well there's been a lot of people to testify.
    Q. Do you remember his description of how the detectives questioned you?
    A. I really, I don't remember who you are talking about specifically.
    Q. Okay. It would be the nurse that was there?
    A. Well, I know, but there were a couple of nurses.
    Q. well, do you remember someone testifying, that said they were present while the detectives were questioning?
    A. I think so. I sort of remember that, yes.
    Q. Okay. Well, that is who we're talking about?
    A. Okay.
    Q. And do you remember his description was that the detectives went slowly and methodically?
    A. I really don't remember what his exact words were.
    Q. That,they never suggested answers to you?
    A. Sir, I don't remember what happened. I mean, there's been so many people testifying, Okay. Are you saying then today, that Detective Patterson was suggesting answers to you?
    A. Suggesting as in, what do you mean?
    Q. Fighting on the couch?
    A. What do you mean? He was telling me.
    Q. Well, I think that is what you are trying to get across, that you didn't come up with the word fighting, that was Detective Patterson?
    A. Sir, I don't even remember that.
    Q. Okay. You don't have any memory of that?
    A. As far as fighting?
    Q. Fighting on -- telling Detective Patterson that you fought with the man on the couch?
    A. No, I don't -- I mean, I don't think that I said that. I could have said that, but I don't remember saying that.
    Q. Okay. So you could have said that?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Okay.
    A. I mean, I think that you can have, you know, no memory, especially in that situation.
    Q. Okay. Then you got transferred up to the I C U floor?
    A. I guess so. You don't remember that?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. Do you remember telling the nurse, Diane Hollon, hat you felt pressure on you, and you woke up and a man was standing over you?
    A. I don't remember -- I remember their faces when they came in here when you guys were talking to them, but I don't -- I mean, I don't -- when you say you are familiar with them, I am not.
    Q. She was the nurse that attended you from an about 8:00 In the morning until 7:00 at night, the tall girl with brown hair?
    A. Tall girl with brown hair?
    Q. Was with you for about 11 hours?
    A. What was her name?
    Q. Diane Hollon?
    A. I don't remember, but I'll try to answer your questions.
    Q. Do you remember telling her that you felt pressure on you, the man was standing over you?
    A. I do remember feeling pressure on my legs.
    Q. Do you remember telling her that he man was standing over you, and that you fought him off?
    A. No, sir, I don't remember that.
    Q. Okay.
    A. I do remember the pressure on my legs.
    Q. All right. Where was it on your legs?
    A. It was on my right leg.
    Q. On your right leg?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Okay. Do you remember telling the nurse Paige Campbell, she is the small nurse with blonde hair?
    A. I think I remember Paige Campbell, because she gave me a shower I think.
    Q. Okay. Do you remember that you showed her your hand, and you said,"this is where he cut me when I tried to grab the knife"?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. You don't remember telling her that?
    A. No, sir. I remember her giving me a shower.
    Q. Okay. Do you remember telling her that you woke up and the man was standing over you and tried to stab you with a knife?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. Okay. Are you saying you just don't remember that?
    A. I'm just saying I don't remember that. Okay. So you could have said that?
    A. I suppose it's possible.
    Q. Okay. If you had said that, would that not mean that you do remember this attack?
    A. I don't remember this attack as of right now, I do not remember.
    Q. Okay, do you remember talking to the nurse, Denise Faulk, which is the last nurse that testified, the one that had you --?
    A. I remember her up here, but I don't remember her in there.
    Q. Okay. And do you remember, that she the one that took the pink notes of what you said?
    A. Yes, I remember her sitting up here.
    Q. Okay. And, do you remember telling her, about 3:00 o'clock in the morning, that when you were laying on your right side, you told her,” I was laying just like this,".
    A. First of all, I can't imagine -- can I see a picture of my arm? Do you have a picture of the arm?
    Q. Well, why don't you -- I'll show you a picture the arm in a minute.
    A. Okay. I don't imagine that I would be laying on the right side with my arm like that. porter So, that didn't happen?
    A. I am just saying that I don't believe that I would lay, I mean, if you look at that picture, I don't think anybody would be laying on that arm, form what you are saying, I think you could lay on it like this, with this arm out.
    Q. okay.
    A. But not like this.
    Q. Okay. Do you think she might have been making that up?
    A. No, sir, I think maybe either she has either misunderstood, or she has gotten her information wrong.
    Q. Okay. So maybe she misunderstood what you said?
    A. Okay. Of course if you are laying on your right side, your back never would be exposed to any blood you might get on it, would it?
    A. Well, I'm not sure I understand.
    Q. Do you remember telling Denise Faulk that you woke up when Damon started touching you and crying?
    A. I really don't remember that.
    Q. Do you remember telling her that you felt a wrestling at your neck area? No, sir, I don't remember that.
    Q. You just don't remember that?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. Again, I guess if you did tell her that, that would indicate that you did have some memory of this attack, wouldn't it?
    A. Well, I don't remember that.
    Q. You don't know of any reason that Denise Faulk would have to come down here and lie about that, do you?
    A. I don't know of any reason, no, I mean
    Q. I mean, Y'all didn't know each other before this did you?
    A. No, sir, but
    Q. Can you think of a good reason?
    A. Well, I have heard a lot of things that --
    Q. Do you think all of the nurses might have gotten together?
    A. No, sir, I don't think that. That is not what I'm saying. I just think a lot of people, a lot of time went by, and I think that you can definitely.
    Q. Well, you heard her, she wrote it down.
    Sandra M.
    THE COURT: Well let her finish her answer. Do you want to add any more? THE WITNESS: Well, I just think that you definitely take things out of context, after a certain period of time.
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    BY MR. TOBY L. SHOOK:
    Q. Well, as far as time goes by, you heard her testimony. She wrote these notes down?
    A. Yes, sir, she did.
    Q. When she got home?
    A. Pretty fresh on her mind?
    A. She has got the notes.
    Q. Okay.
    A. But how do we know that those were written then?
    Q. Do you think she lied about it?
    A. No, I'm not saying that.
    Q. Okay. Well, do you think we can trust her?
    A. She seems like a nice person.
    Q. Okay. Have you told any one else that a man was standing over you, and you woke up, and he tried to stab you?
    Sandra M. Halsey, CSR, official Court Re Just as far as the dream that I had.
    Q. Just the dream?
    A. Yes.
    Q. When did your memory start getting better? I mean, I guess you don't remember much that happened in the hospital do you?
    A. No, I don't even remember, as far as my relatives being there. I have had a lot of different people say that they talked to me, and came and saw me that I don't remember.
    Q. Okay. You remember everything up until this attack, don't you? What went on in the evening?
    A. To a certain extent, I mean yeah.
    Q. Your memory is not fuzzy on when Darin got home?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. On what you did all day?
    A. No, sir, I was conscious then, yes, sir.
    Q. Your memory is not fuzzy on having your little sister Dana there, and what the boys were doing, is it?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. It's not fuzzy as to what you and Darin talked about, is it?
    A. To a certain extent, no, sir.
    Q. Okay. But then, as far as any of the facts of this offense goes, you don't remember a thing about that, do you?
    A. No, I can speculate that, but I don't know, to sit her and tell you I can't tell you that.
    Q. Then you memory gets kind of good again, because you give a lot of details in your voluntary statement about what happened after you saw --
    A. I think if I lived to be a hundred, I wouldn't be able to tell you everything that happened that night.
    Q. Okay.
    A. for detail.
    Q. Well, you gave us a lot of details?
    A. I gave some things, yes, sir.
    Q. And you were able to give a lot of details on the 8th, when you wrote this statement out?
    A. Yes, sir, but I still think there's a lot of things to this day, that.
    Q. But as far as where the paramedics were, what Darin was doing, what you were doing, you were able to write that all down on June the 8th, weren't you?
    A. Not every bit of it, but some, yes, sir.
    Q. We will be able to see all of that for ourselves what you wrote down?
    A. Yes, sir, I think we have already gone over that.
    Q. okay. But then again at the hospital, when all of these statements are made to these nurses?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Your memory is gone again, isn't it?
    A. I just don't remember now.
    Q. You just don't remember those?
    A. No, sir.
    Q. It kind of goes in and out?
    A. Yes, sir. I have been told that that common.
    Q. Okay. But I guess it got better on the Sth when you were writing this statement out?
    A. A little bit, but not much.
    Q. Okay. And as far as --
    A. Like I said, to this day, there is still a lot of steps that I don't remember.
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    Q. Okay. And then the description of the attacker was a white male?
    A. Yes, sir. She said a white male, shoulder length, dark hair, wearing a ball cap.
    Q. Okay. And did she go into any other details about him, other than that?
    A. She said that -- Detective Frosch was in the room, and she said that the assailant was about the same build as Detective Frosch.
    Q. Okay. Did she have him face one way or the other when she was doing that?
    A. Well, she said that she could not describe his face, that all she could describe was from the back. So, Detective Frosch had turned around. And she said that he was about the same build.
    Q. About the same build, same size?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Okay. Did she say anything about any windows being open, anything like that?
    A. Yes, sir. She said the window in the official 984 garage had been opened due to the cat being out in the arage because the cat was in heat.
    Q. Okay. The Rowlett detectives, how did they ask questions?
    A. They did an interview, how you interview any victim of any crime, just trying to figure out what had happened at the home.
    Q. They weren't interrogating her?
    A. No, sir, not at all.

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    Q. What did she tell you?
    A. She told me that she and her sons had been stabbed. That she had chased a gentlemen through the house into the garage and that she had picked up the knife in the garage.

    Story 11
    Q. okay. During the day, did you talk to her about what had had happened to her?
    A. Darlie always was bringing it up, about the story-of the intruder coming into the house, she had waken up with the intruder over the top of her. 109 she felt pressure from him, and she tried to fight him off and ran out the garage. That's the same type of story that she told me and the different people that came in throughout the day. I heard that: story at least three times to me and two other people throughout the day.

    STORY 12
    Q. Okay. Tell the jury what she told had you happened when you had this conversation at her mother's house.
    A. Well, I didn't ask her anything. She was just sitting there. She was really nervous. She was, of course, chewing on her fingernails and I went, don’t do that. And she said, she says,"Basia, Basiall, she says, When I opened -- when I felt pressure on my --
    Q. Go ahead. Just take your time.
    A. You should -- she says, Basia, when I I felt pressure on my legs, and I opened my eyes, the man was sitting on top of her, and he was doing this with the knife on her face.

    Story 13
    Q. Do you recall what statements, if any, that she made to you, when you confronted her with the fact that you thought she had killed her children?
    A. Yes, sir, I do. She always had the same verbal response,"If I did it, I don't remember.. One occasion, she just didn't respond at all, she just shrugged her shoulders.
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    In Her Own Words

    June 6th, 1996
    The boys were asleep on the floor with their pillows and blankets. Darin brought me a pillow and blanket from upstairs. Around 1:00 a.m. Darin and I decided to go to sleep. Darin turned off all the lights but the T.V. was on. Darin told me that he loved me and would see me in the morning and I told him I loved him too. I asked him to make sure the door was locked on his way upstairs -- he said he already checked it and it was -- five minutes later I fell asleep. Next thing I remember -- Damon runs into my right shoulder and says "mommy." I sat straight up and saw a "blur" of a man between my couch and kitchen bar.

    In Her Own Words
    I stood up and Damon walked behind me. I heard glass breaking. When I got to the entrance of the kitchen, I saw man going into my utility room

    I took a couple of steps and remembered lights were off went back and turned lights on, I started to walk through kitchen and noticed blood on my nightgown, about to my chest, halfway across the kitchen I saw knife laying on utility room floor, instinctively I went over and picked up knife, doesn't seem like there was much blood on the knife, I went back through the kitchen and put knife on kitchen bar. Damon was still standing by living room wall. I walked into living room and saw Devon's eyes open and wounds on his chest, Devon wasn't moving and I started screaming, I went to Damon and began checking him and saw stab wounds through his shirt, I was hysterical but I was trying to think. I told Damon to lay on his belly and I told him to hang on and be strong -- Damon said "O-K mommy." I ran into hallway to our entrance, turned on the lights and kept screaming. Darin, my husband, came out of our bedroom -- he only had his pants and glasses on. Darin ran down the stairs and we ran together into the hallway. Darin went to the left, into family room and over to Devon, the table by Devon was completely knocked over. I went to the right to kitchen and grabbed phone to call 911.
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    Darlie called 911 at 2:31 was off at 2:37
    [911 transcript]
    "Some man... Came in... Stabbed my babies...Stabbed me... I woke up... I was fighting... He ran out through the garage... threw the knife down... My babies are dying... They’re dead... Oh my God..."

    I went to second drawer and got towels. I could see Darin starting to perform CPR on Devon. I went to sink and about that time 911 lady came on. I was screaming and got towels wet (when I turned around I could see my neck slit in mirror behind wine rack and said this to the 911 lady) I was screaming. I ran over to Damon pulled up his shirt and layed (sic) a towel on his back, I ran over to Darin and could see blood coming out of Devon's wound when Darin blew into Devon's mouth, I didn't know what to do so I held a towel on Devon's wound. I was still on the phone while I did all this. I was soaked with blood by this time and very dizzy -- I ran to front door to scream for my neighbor, Karen (she is a nurse), and I remember the bolt on the door not being turned and locked. I ran back and got another towel to put on my neck. I was screaming and running back and fourth (sic) and still on the phone. I stopped by the kitchen bar in living room where there was my vacuum, I felt so dizzy and I held myself up on the vacuum. An officer came in and stood by my son Damon, I hung up the phone and dropped to the floor. I screamed for my husband to check on Drake (our baby) Darin did & came back and said he was O-K, Darin then went out front door to get neighbors. a second officer arrives and I tell both officers a man went out the utility room, the officers proceeded to go into kitchen into utility room.
    Darin came back in and said both our babies were dead, I fell down again and kept screaming who would do this, I was so dizzy and hysterical. Two paramedics came -- one went to Devon, the other to Damon. I grabbed Damon's shirt and the paramedic wouldn't tell me he was dead, then he took Damon out of the house. Two paramedics came to me and I stood up and then I passed out.
    Next thing I remember I'm on the front porch and Karen is by my side, I thought I was dying and I made her promise to find the man that killed my babies and she did. Karen then went into house. So many people were running in and out of the house and I felt so dizzy. I remember one paramedic telling me my necklace was stuck in my throat and he couldn't remove it. then my husband asked me where my panties were and I realized they were gone. Next thing I'm in the ambulance and I couldn't breathe and they put oxygen on me. Then I remember being in the ER and someone taking off my necklace and that's when I began to feel the pain, it hurt so bad, I begged them to make the pain stop and finally they said they had to operate and they put me under.
    Next thing I remember waking up a crying and screaming my babies were dead, there were two officers asking me questions about my husband and the man I saw. I told them all I could remember. I don't remember any of the days I was in the hospital except the last day (Saturday) The nurse came in and gave me a shower and kept telling me how bad my arms looked and did I remember anything, and I told her I couldn't remember but thought I struggled or fought the man. then I got to hold my baby and they quit giving me shots of pain medicine and gave me pills instead. Two officers were there and said they were going to take Darin and I into the P.D. before the boy"s viewing so they could get statements from us. My husband and I didn't think anything of it. The officers got us to the P.D. around 5:00 p.m., separated us and made us talk about what happened. We were supposed to be at the viewing at 6:00 p.m. and it was about 6:30 when Detective Patterson asked me to give a written statement. I was very upset and crying and told him we were late to be with our little boys and couldn't we do this another day. Patterson told me it was very important to do it then. Finally about 8:00 p.m. they drove my husband and I to the funeral home.
    I wasvery heavily medicated and really don't remember much, I walked into the room with my husband and saw my babies holding hands in the casket and fell a little and laid on the casket, I kept screaming and crying, I couldn't stop. My boys looked so beautiful and innocent but they were cold when I kissed them. I fixed their hair and I just wanted to die. People started coming into the room and after about thirty minutes I almost passed out so someone sat me on the couch and helped me. I didn't want to leave but my husband said we had to. I don't remember where we slept that night. The next day we had the funeral. I don't remember much except everyone kept telling me my babies were in heaven and I got angry because they were too little to be in heaven. There were so many people but I just wanted to be left alone. We sent balloons in the air with Devon and Damon's name and had a plane fly over the funeral for them. I don't remember much else except we wanted to put flowers at our home around the fountain from the funeral and (Detective) Patterson said 'no.' but everyone took flowers and we all drove over there and did it anyway. We handed them to the officers and the officers put them around the fountain. Someone took us home. I remember laying there, I was too scared to sit by a window or use the restroom or take a shower by myself -- someone had to be with me and everyone kept giving me pills, I just didn't want to be without my boys.

    I held my son Drake, in my arms and kept a picture of Devon and Damon every step I took. Sometime that week the detectives wanted Darin and I to come in a give hair samples and fingerprints. We got there at 2:00 p.m. and they ended up keeping us until 9:30 p.m. I was crying and didn't have my pills, I kept throwing up and Patterson would help me go to the restroom because I kept getting sick but I was scared to be left alone. Patterson asked me about my tatoo and wanted to see it. I showed him. Patterson told me they found this man's fingerprints and it was only a matter of time. Friday, June 14th, was my son Devon's birthday. We went to the grave around 12:30 or 1:00 p.m. and had a prayer service. Around 5 or 5:30 p.m. we met the detectives in a grocery store parking lot in Rowlett to sign a release for blood from the night of the incident. Patterson told us they had over 100 leads and they put cameras on our house and they found flesh under my fingernails from the samples they took at the hospital. Later we found this was all a lie. We proceeded from the store to the boy's grave where we had a birthday party for Devon with all his friends. My little sister bought silly string because my little boys loved it and always played with it. Inside I felt like I was dying but it was my son's birthday and I was only thinking of him. I wasn't celebrating his death, I was honoring his life, yet I have been persecuted for this. It's absurd.

    On the 18-19 they (the detectives) called us and told us they had a retired policeman who was going to help us. So around 7:00 p.m. we went to the Rowlett P.D. They put me in a room with a man named Bill Parker and for two hours they tried to brainwash me that I blacked out in my sleep and did this crime and only imagined the man. I told him he was crazy and he told me I was under arrest -- after he told me this I became hysterical and he tried to calm me down and after another hour of him trying to get me to confess to something I know I didn't do, I told him I wanted to do hypnosis, but they wouldn't allow me to have anyone I knew there while I did it so I said forget it and then I want my lawyer. They arrested me while they smoked their cigars and gave their news reports -- they were so proud of themselves -- they make me sick.
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    Darlie's written statement to Police
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    "Darin and my sister Danna came home from working at the shop. The boys were playing with the neighborhood kids outside. I was finishing up dinner. Damon came home and Devon called, and I told him to be home soon, because we were going to eat.
    Darin played with the baby Drake with Danna a while, and I had pulled everything together to eat. Devon came home, and we all ate dinner together. After we ate, we cleaned all the plates. I was changing Drake, while Darin put everything in some containers, for left overs. We all talked a little about how happy we' were that the shop had been so busy for the past three weeks, and that we hoped it would continue, since work had been slow for a couple of months. Devon and Damon asked if the they could play with one of their friends
    for a little while longer, and so we said okay.
    Darin and Danna and I just sat around and watched a little TV. Later, and I'm not sure of the exact time, I asked Darin to drive Danna, my sister home because I wasn't feeling too well. While Darin was gone, the boys brought down there blankets and pillows and asked if they could watch TV. I said, "yes". They came downstairs and played on the the floor in front of the TV with Drake while I made some popcorn.
    "Around 20 or 25 minutes later, Darin came in, and sat down with us while we watched TV. Drake started to get fussy, so I made him a bottle, and I believe Darin fed him the bottle. Soon after the boys both fell asleep, Darin took the baby upstairs, and put him in his crib and came back downstairs.
    We talked a while about a few problems we were having with the car, and the boat, and had a few words between us. Since I had the baby, I had been having some depression. I told Darin that I was depressed because I had not been able to take the boys anywhere because we only had one car.
    He told me that he loved me, and asked me if I wanted him to sleep downstairs with me because I wanted to stay up a while and watch TV. I told him no, because I didn't think that he would be able to sleep on the couch and get any sleep. I had been sleeping on the couch the past week or so, off and on, because the baby slept in our room in the crib, and when he moved, he woke me up.
    "Darin and I laid together for a little while, and then decided to go to sleep because he he had work the next day. This was around 12:30 or 1:00 o'clock, I'm not sure. He kissed me and said he loved me, and I told him I loved him and would see him in the morning
    After a while, I started to get sleepy. The next thing, I woke up, and felt a pressure on me. I felt Damon press on my right shoulder, and heard him cry. This made me really come awake, and realize there was a man standing down at my feet, walking away from me. I walked after him, and heard glass breaking. I got half way through the kitchen, and turned back around to run and turn on the light. I ran back towards the utility room, and realized there was a big, white-handled knife laying on the floor. It was then that I realized that I had blood all over me, and I grabbed the knife, thinking he was in the garage.

    "I looked over and saw the door shut to the garage, and so I thought he might still be in there, and I needed to get Darin. I ran back through the kitchen, and realized that the entire living room area had blood all over everything. I put the knife on the counter and ran into the entrance, turned on the light and started screaming for Darin. I think I screamed twice, and he ran out of the bedroom with his jeans on, and no glasses and was yelling, 'what is it? What is it?,
    "I remember saying that he cut them. 'He tried to kill me. My neck'. He ran down the stairs and into the room where the boys were. I grabbed the phone and called 911. Darin started giving Devon C P R while I put a towel on my neck, and a towel on Damon's back. I remember telling Damon to hang on, Mommie was there. And I looked over at Darin, and saw the glass table had been knocked half way off, and the flower arrangement had been knocked over. I then stood up and turned around and saw glass all over the kitchen floor.
    "I tried to glance over to see if anything was out of place, or if anything was missing. I took a few steps, and opened the door and sqreamed for Karen. I was still on the phone with 911. I don't recall what all was said, because everything was happening so fast. "I went back to Damon, and by him, he had stopped' moving, and the police walked through the door. The paramedics came and tried to work on the children. Darin was screaming 'Who did this? Who did this?' And I started asking if my babies were dead. "Darin was crying and he said yes. After that, I just remember screaming, and showing Darin my neck. Darin took me out the front of the house, and by then Darin ran upstairs to make sure the baby was okay. He showed me Drake was okay, and then handed him to Karen, our neighbor. I remember them holding a towel on my neck. And, wiping my arm, and then he put me in the ambulance. Darin got in, but they told him that he needed to leave, so they could take me -- so they could take care of me.
    "I remember get (sic) to the hospital and then them telling me they were taking me to surgery. they took me -- they took off my necklace and put me to sleep. I woke up, and minutes later, the Detectives were there asking me all kinds of questions.
    Q. And she signed it, "Darlie Routier".
    A. Yes.
    Q. And that is her statement as you recall it?
    A. written statement.
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    5801 EAGLE DRIVE
    June 6, 1996
    MURDER OF DAMON AND DEVON ROUTIER

    This transcript was created from the official tape logs maintained by the Communications Section of the Rowlett Police Department Transcribed by Barry Dickey and Dennis Lowe for Graffiti Productions, Inc.
    ABBREVIATIONS AND COLOR CODES

    CO1: Communications Officer 1
    CO2: Communications Officer 2
    FC: Female Caller
    MC: Male Caller
    BV: Background voice
    RADIO: Police & Fire radio
    PO: Police Officer at the scene
    SND: Sounds individually defined
    Total length of transcription: 05:44:28
    TRANSCRIPT - ROWLETT 911

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    OO:OO:OO COl: ...Rowlett 911...what is your emergency...
    00:01:19 FC: ...somebody came here...they broke in...
    00:03:27 COl: ...ma'am...
    00:05:ll FC: ...they just stabbed me and my children...
    00:07:16 COl: ...what...
    00:08:05 FC: ...they just stabbed me and my kids...my little boys...
    00:09:24 COl: ...who...who did...
    00:11:12 FC: ...my little boy is dying...
    00:11:25 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) clear...
    00:13:07 COl: ...hang on...hang on...hang on...
    00:15:03 FC: ...hurry...(unintelligible)..
    00:16:01 COl: ...stand by for medical emergency..
    00:18:11 FC: ...ma'am...
    00:18:19 COl: ...hang on ma'am...
    00:21:26 FC: ...ma'am...
    00:23:00 COl: ...unknown medical emergency...5801 Eagle Drive...
    00:24:00 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
    00:26:24 FC: ...ma'am...
    00:27:12 COl: ...ma'am...I'm trying to get an ambulance to you...hang on a minute...
    00:28:20 RADIO: ...(siren)...
    00:29:13 FC: ...oh my God...my babies are dying...
    00:30:12 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
    00:31:09 COl: ...what's going on ma'am...
    00:32:13 FC: ...(unintelligible)...oh my God...
    00:33:49 RADIO: ...(tone - signal broadcast)...
    00:34:0l BV: ...(unintelligible)...
    00:35:20 FC: ...(unintelligible) thought he was dead...oh my God...
    00:39:08 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
    00:39:29 FC: ...I don't even know (unintelligible)...
    00:40:22 COl: ...attention 90l unknown medical emergency 5801...
    00:42:23 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
    00:43:15 FC: ...I don't even know (unintelligible)...
    00:44:04 COl: ...Eagle Drive...Box 238...cross street Linda Vista and Willowbrook...attention 90l medical emergency...
    00:49:28 FC: ...who was breathing...
    00:50:l0 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
    00:51:15 FC: ...(unintelligible) are they still laying there (unintelligible)...
    00:51:19 COl: ...may be possible stabbing...5801 Eagle Drive...Box 238...
    cross street Linda Vista and Willowbrook...
    00:55:06 FC: ...oh my God...what do we do...
    00:57:17 COl: ...time out 2:32...
    00:58:26 FC: ...oh my God...
    00:58:28 COl: ...stamp me a card Clint...0l:0l:02 COl: ...80...
    01:01:16 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
    01:02:13 FC: ...oh my God...
    01:03:05 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
    01:04:07 COl: ...need units going towards 5801 Eagle Drive...5801 Eagle Drive...
    01:04:07 FC: ...oh my God...my baby's dead...
    01:07:08 FC: ...Damon...hold on honey...
    01:08:ll MC: ...(unitelligible)...
    01:08:22 COl: ...hysterical female on the phone..
    01:10:03 FC: ...hold on...
    01:10:10 MC: ...(unitelligible)...
    01:10:26 COl: ...says her child has been stabbed...
    01:ll:28 FC: ...I saw them Darie[sic]...
    01:12:21 MC: ...oh my God...(unintelligible) ..came in here...
    01:14:10 COl: ...ma'am...I need you to calm down and talk to me...
    01:14:24 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
    01:16:25 FC: ...ok...
    01:16:26 SND: ...(unintelligible)...
    01:17:12 COl: ...twice Clint...

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    CONCLUSION:

    01:18:26 FC: ...didn't you get my address...
    01:20:19 COl: ...5801 Eagle...
    01:22:00 FC: ...yes...we need help...
    01:22:03 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) will be enroute code...
    01:24:20 FC: ...Darin...I don't know who it was...
    01:24:2 COl: ...2:33 code...
    01:26:15 FC: ...we got to find out who it was...
    01:27:12 COl: ...ma'am...
    01:28:04 COl: ...ma'am listen...listen to me...
    01:29:27 FC: ...yes...yes...(unintelligible)...
    01:30:23 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) I'm clear... do you need anything...
    01:32:08 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
    01:32:20 FC: ...oh my God...
    01:34:00 COl: ...(unintelligible)...
    01:34:22 COl: ...do you take the radio Clint...
    01:35:23 CO2: ...yes...
    01:36:12 FC: ...oh my God...
    01:36:25 COl: ...I...ma'am...
    01:38:03 FC: ...yes...
    01:38:17 COl: ...I need you to...
    01:38:23 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) start that way (unintelligible)...will revise...
    01:39:28 COl: ...I need you to talk to me..

    01:41:21 FC: ...what...what...what...
    01:44:25 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
    01:44:28 FC: ...my babies are dead (unintelligible)...
    01:46:20 RADIO: ...go ahead and start that way...siren code 4...advise...
    01:47:10 FC: ....(unintelligible)...
    01:48:03 FC: ...(unintelligible) do you want honey... hold on (unintelligible)...
    01:49:17 COl: ...ma'am...I can't understand you...
    01:50:21 FC: . ..yes...
    01:51:18 COl: ...you're going to have to slow down...calm down...and talk to me...
    01:52:19 FC: ...I'm talking to my babies... they're dying...
    01:55:03 CO[sic - left out l after O] ...what is going on..
    01:56:29 FC: ...somebody came in while I was sleeping...me and my little boys were sleeping downstairs...
    02:02:00 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)I'll be clear...
    02:02:20 FC: ...some man...came in...stabbed my babies...stabbed me...I woke up...I was fighting...he ran out through the garage...threw the knife down...my babies are dying...they're dead...oh my God...
    02:14:23 COl: ...ok...stay on the phone with me...
    02:16:11 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
    02:17:06 FC: ...oh my God...
    02:17:29 COl: ...what happened... (unintelligible) dispatch 901...

    02:20:15 FC: ...hold on honey...hold on...
    02:22:01 COl: ...(unintelligible) who was on (unintelligible)...
    02:22:26 CO2: ...it was (unintelligible) the white phone...
    02:23:08 FC: ...hold on...
    02:25:26 CO2: ...they were wondering when we need to dispatch...so I sent a double team...
    02:25:28 FC: ...oh my God...oh my God...
    02:28:08 COl: ...ok...thanks...
    02:28:21 FC: ...oh my God...
    02:29:20 SND: ...(unintelligible)...
    02:30:01 FC: ...oh my God...
    02:30:20 COl: ...ma'am...
    02:31:06 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
    02:31:14 COl: ...who's there with you...
    02:32:15 FC: ...Karen...(unintelligible)...
    02:33:15 COl: ...ma'am...
    02:34:06 FC: ...what...
    02:35:16 COl: ...is there anybody in the house...besides you and your children...
    02:38:11 FC: ...no...my husband he just ran downstairs...he's helping me... but they're dying...oh my God... they're dead...
    02:43:24 COl: ...ok...ok...how many little boys...is it two boys...
    02:46:06 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
    02:46:25 FC: ...there's two of 'em...there's two...
    02:48:18 RADIO: ...what's the cross street on that address on Eagle...
    02:50:15 FC: . ..oh my God...who would do this...
    02:53:13 COl: ...(unintelligible) listen to me...calm down... (unintelligible)...
    02:53:21 FC: ...I feel really bad...I think I'm dying...
    02:55:06 RADIO: ...228...
    02:56:17 COl: ...go ahead...

    02:58:12 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) address again (unintelligible)...
    02:59:12 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
    02:59:22 FC: ...when are they going to be here...
    03:00:22 COl: ...5801 Eagle Drive...5801 Eagle Drive...
    03:03:28 FC: ...when are they going to be here...
    03:03:29 COl: ...going to be a stabbing...
    03:05:20 FC: ...when are they going to be here...
    03:06:20 COl: ...ma'am...they're on their way...
    03:08:00 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
    03:08:08 FC: ...I gotta just sit here forever...oh my God...
    03:ll:l4 COl: ...2:35...
    03:12:05 FC: ...who would do this...who would do this...
    03:13:09 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
    03:14:26 COl: ...(sounds of typing on computer keyboard)...
    03:16:08 COl: ...ma'am...how old are your boys...
    03:18:20 FC: ...what...
    03:19:03 COl: ...how old are your boys..
    03:20:04 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)..
    03:20:21 COl: ...no...
    03:21:01 FC: ...seven and five...
    03:22:17 COl: ...ok...
    03:23:08 FC: ...oh my God...oh my God...oh...he's dead...
    03:29:02 COl: ...calm down...can you...
    03:29:03 FC: ...oh God...Devon no...oh my God...
    03:30:27 SND: ...(dog barking)...
    03:35:02 COl: ...is your name Darlie...
    03:36:11 FC: ...yes...
    03:36:26 COl: ...this is her...
    03:37:09 COl: ...is your husbands[sic] name Darin...
    03:38:22 FC: ...yes...please hurry...God they're taking forever...
    03:41:20 COl: ...there's nobody in your house...there was...was...
    03:44:05 COl: ...you don't know who did this...
    03:45:19 PO: ...look for a rag...
    03:46:ll FC: ...they killed our babies...
    03:48:03 PO: ...lay down...ok...just sit down... (unintelligible)...
    03:51:ll COl: ...(sounds of typing on computer keyboard)...
    03:52:13 FC: ...no...he ran out...uh...they ran out in the garage...I was sleeping...
    03:54:09 COl: ...(unintelligible)...
    03:56:19 FC: ...my babies over here already cut...can I (unintelligible)...
    03:59:29 MC: ...(unintelligible) phone is right there...
    04:01:28 FC: ...(unintelligible)...
    04:03:01 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
    04:05:03 FC: ...ya'll look out in the garage...look out in the garage...they left a knife laying on...
    04:08:21 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
    04:09:19 COl: ...there's a knife...don't touch anything...
    04:ll:18 FC: ...I already touched it and picked it up...
    04:12:05 RADIO: ...10-4...
    04:15:20 COl: ...who's out there...is anybody out there..

    DP AGAIN:

    SO, IN THE SPAN OF SECONDS, SHE GOES FROM MORE THAN ONE INTRUDER TO TWO INTRUDERS??????

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    I agree that the "staged burglary" theory doesn't hold up. I mean, all of her jewelry was on the kitchen counter, in plain view. Also, if she were asleep as she claimed, the burglar could have slipped in and at least attempted to slip out without waking her. And if the boys were awakened, why kill them? Was he afraid of being ID'd by a 3- and 5-year old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNotherOne View Post
    I agree that the "staged burglary" theory doesn't hold up. I mean, all of her jewelry was on the kitchen counter, in plain view. Also, if she were asleep as she claimed, the burglar could have slipped in and at least attempted to slip out without waking her. And if the boys were awakened, why kill them? Was he afraid of being ID'd by a 3- and 5-year old?
    The kids were a little bit older than that, but you've got an excellent point. All this time Darlie Routier has stated that SHE was in fact attacked first. This is impossible. Its obvious that whomever murdered the boys KNEW which organs to stab in order to cause the quickest death possible. Why would an intruder murder two sleeping boys, then fight with the mother and then leave her alive and chasing them as they left - NOT OUT THE FRONT DOOR, which was an easy out, but through a door into small laundry room and then through another door out into the very cluttered garage and then try and slip out windows???? While an hysterical mother is chasing them????

    These would have to be two very stupid individuals. If they came to rape Darlie, they didn't get that. If they came to kill Darlie, they know they didn't get that done. If they came to rob the couple, well her jewelery and her purse were right on top of the counter for the taking.

    Why would do this crime???

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    The only time I saw Darlie truly cry,real tears,was when she was arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinklovedoll View Post
    The only time I saw Darlie truly cry,real tears,was when she was arrested.
    She's cried three times that I can remember. Once when she was arrested, once during an interview with a local reporter and this most recent one when they discuss the upcoming tests.

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    Someone built a "timeline" that assumes what Darlie's actions could have been on the night of the murders. Pretty interesting stuff - http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39605

    There is also a great discussion at this place.
    http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...218503&page=33

    I'm facinated by this case and have been since it happened. Found the links above while poking around online.

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    NeonCandy, I may not have mentioned this before, but you totally rock! Thanks for those transcripts. That's fascinating reading. I would love to have been able to attend the trial!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adiposeur View Post
    Someone built a "timeline" that assumes what Darlie's actions could have been on the night of the murders. Pretty interesting stuff - http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39605

    There is also a great discussion at this place.
    http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...218503&page=33

    I'm facinated by this case and have been since it happened. Found the links above while poking around online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laura Castellano View Post
    NeonCandy, I may not have mentioned this before, but you totally rock! Thanks for those transcripts. That's fascinating reading. I would love to have been able to attend the trial!
    You're very welcome darlin!!! Anytime.

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    New DNA tests for Darlie Routier

    Remember Darlie Routier, the housewife from Rowlett who is on death row for the stabbing deaths of her two young sons? She has maintained her innocence all along, saying that it was an intruder who killed her boys, and since the trial some strange facts - the court reporter was fired for committing thousands of errors in the trial transcript, her husband admitted that financial problems had led him to consider a plan to hire a burglar to steal stuff from the house to defraud their insurance company - have come to light, though an appeal for a new trial was denied five years ago. Now, however, the Court of Criminal Appeals has granted her request for new DNA testing on some of the evidence from her trial, on the grounds that it may cast doubt on her conviction.


    The items to be retested:

    Blood stains on her night shirt that previous tests showed to be soaked in blood from her and the boys. She claims newer techniques may find another source of blood.

    A blood stain on a tube sock found in an alley. The sock contained blood from both boys and a third blood stain that did not yield a result. The court agreed that newer techniques might yield a DNA result.

    Dried flakes on a utility room door. Although the flakes were previously tested and found not to include human DNA, Routier alleges they are dried blood that should be re-examined.

    Pubic and facial hairs. The pubic hair yielded no result and the facial hair was found to be from someone other than Routier or her husband. She maintains the facial hair is from the alleged intruder and hopes to connect it to the results from the other retested items.

    The court denied retests of a bloody palm print on the coffee table and blood stains on a butcher knife, which investigators said was the murder weapon.

    In granting the new testing, the court said the state's case against Routier remains strong, but if the new testing shows the results Routier alleges, there's a chance a jury would not convict her.

    "There is at least a 51 percent likelihood that the jury would have seen her as a victim herself, or at least that it would have harbored a reasonable doubt that she was not," the court wrote.


    It should be noted that this case is in Dallas County, home of numerous DNA-related exonerations. The Dallas County DA's office had no comment for this story, but it'll be interesting to see how they play this. Given that this was not a case of a conviction due to questionable eyewitness testimony or a coerced confession, they're on far more solid ground being in opposition to Routier. But DNA is DNA, and if more modern testing can corroborate enough of Routier's story to cast doubt on the result of her trial, then I think they've got to consider their options. I'll keep an eye on this. Posted by Charles Kuffner on June 20, 2008 to Crime and Punishment

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    I've gone back and forth on this one. Not that this is an integral part of it,
    but I found it interesting. The book mentioned the theory about couples that name all their kids with the same first letter as themselves. Professionals feel
    it is a need for attention. It rings true in families that I know.

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    patty, we discussed something like that a long time ago on another board. Like, the baby was seen by Darlie as a new beginning, and not part of the other kids, because his name didn't fit. Sure, it had a "D" beginning, but it didn't rhyme, and it didn't have two syllables like the others. Damon, Devin, Darrin; Drake. We were blue-skying that maybe she wanted to get away from everything with just her and the new baby.

    Actually, it was probably a bunch of shite, but we were bored...

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    does anyone have a link to just the silly string video?ive seen bits and pieces,but id like to see all of it

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    lol

    I think of the families that I know that have kids named
    like that and they are pretty goofy. I never understood
    why people wanted to do that. I know one family that
    had all 5 kids starting in S. Then for the last one they
    combined the half of each parent's name and made
    one up. Very weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeonCandy View Post
    I was the moderator at Websleuths for over 10 years on this case and others. If I can help you out in any way, don't hesitate!!!
    Neat! Thank you! Enjoyed your postings here.

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    lol my two sons have the same letters as hubby. I guess we could be weird, but I think it's cute. I do know that it never made me kill my babies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pattykad View Post
    I've gone back and forth on this one. Not that this is an integral part of it,
    but I found it interesting. The book mentioned the theory about couples that name all their kids with the same first letter as themselves. Professionals feel
    it is a need for attention. It rings true in families that I know.
    That's an interesting psychological take on it. I always just considered them disgustingly precious.

    I still think she's guilty as heck, but I'm really interested in what the results of this DNA testing will be.
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    I gotta lean towards guilty also. There are valid points on both sides, but I just feel that she's guilty. I read a book on this a looong time ago, and I remember it saying the screen on the window was cut from the inside? So that doesn't make sense. And they lived in a nice house~if some random person breaks in wouldn't they want money, valuables? Not always but one would think so.

    As for her injuries....the throat being slashed doesn't make me think she isn't capable of doing it. ya it's within mm of being fatal, but that makes it more believable. You know? And that bruise is bad, but could be self-inflicted. Where there's a will there's a way..The throat injury, someone said it was done with the opposite hand from what is darlie's dominant hand right? She totally coulda thought that one up. It just reminds me of that Susan Smith beotch back in the 90's that drove her kids into the lake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-train View Post
    As for her injuries....the throat being slashed doesn't make me think she isn't capable of doing it. ya it's within mm of being fatal, but that makes it more believable. You know?
    I'm with you on that one. Actually, I don't know that I even believe that was planned. I'm thinking she just got lucky she didn't slice a couple millimeters deeper. A lot of people point to that as evidence that she's not guilty, but I think it was just a happy accident on her part.
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    This is a tough case, with all of the holes in the story. Who the hell knows but her what realy happened that night?
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    Not sure how I feel about her guilt or innocence. I am going to pick up the book on her case and see how I feel after reading it. It's too bad for her (proving her innocence) that she didn't have any bruises or stab wounds somewhere on her body where she couldn't have possibly done it herself, like on her back where she couldn't reach. At least people would be more inclined to believe that she didn't give herself the injuries.

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    Remember Darlie was not convicted in Dallas, she was convicted in Kerrville, Texas.
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    It took only a split second after viewing the video of her singing Happy Birthday and shooting Silly String on her boys' graves to know that she was guilty. How is it humanly possible for the mother of two murdered children to stand at their grave site, only a few days after their horrific death, and be so cavelier? I would more than likely have had to be sedated for weeks and weeks after losing a child to murder, so as to keep me from spending every waking moment hunting down and reciprocating my own vengence on the monster who would dare harm my children.

    Not only was this so-called "mother" singing and laughing at their graves, but she was also chewing gum! I am certain that I would be so blinded by rage and grief, I would hardly know how to make my way out of the house let alone think to put a piece of gum in my mouth!

    I'm looking forward to the day when she has to answer for murdering those poor little defenseless angels. May God bless their souls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinklovedoll View Post
    Great find Pink!

    Not only has she gained a ton of weight, what was up with that 1980's piled on top of her head hairdo?

    And she looks like she was spray tanning or something?

    Anyway, the reporter said that she came across as intelligent. I beg to differ. After seeing her chuckle and not come up with an answer when he asks her why people would basically frame her, I actually am convinced of her guilt.
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    I remember seeing the silly string episode on the news years ago, and thinking she was guilty also. I lean toward that conclusion but will try and keep an open mind!

    Can you imagine if she really is innocent and in prison for the murder of her children!? I don't think I could sit calmly and answer questions while being locked up; I think I'd still be screaming and crying even years later, trying to get through to somebody that I didn't do it.

    Has anyone read the book Media Tried, Justice Denied on her case? That is the book I am looking for but hope it's not all one-sided in favour of her innocence. I'd like to make up my own mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limey View Post
    I remember seeing the silly string episode on the news years ago, and thinking she was guilty also. I lean toward that conclusion but will try and keep an open mind!

    Can you imagine if she really is innocent and in prison for the murder of her children!? I don't think I could sit calmly and answer questions while being locked up; I think I'd still be screaming and crying even years later, trying to get through to somebody that I didn't do it.

    Has anyone read the book Media Tried, Justice Denied on her case? That is the book I am looking for but hope it's not all one-sided in favour of her innocence. I'd like to make up my own mind.

    I have the "book" "Media Tried Justice Denied." Basically what Christopher Wayne Brown, the author, did was to copy word for word the newspaper articles about the case and interject his own comments. The book is sloppy, has tons of grammatical errors, etc. From others that I've spoken to, the book has made some people who thought she was innocent actually change their minds and now believe her to be guilty. The only thing worth paying the price for the book are the photographs. Once people take a look at this photographs, its very easy to see that there was no fight in the house that night. There was only rate and hatred that was aimed at those two little sleeping boys.

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    I was going to post that in poor Darlie's defense, people in prison always seem to gain weight, but after seeing that awful hairdo, I just want to smack her.

    Quote Originally Posted by limey View Post
    Can you imagine if she really is innocent and in prison for the murder of her children!? I don't think I could sit calmly and answer questions while being locked up; I think I'd still be screaming and crying even years later, trying to get through to somebody that I didn't do it.
    That's another thing that seems wrong to me. Not only to have your kids brutally murdered while you slept through it happening (can you imagine the guilt a mother would feel at that?) but to have spent the last 10 or so years on death row, being blamed for a crime you didn't commit? I'd probably have died of depression or something by now.

    Quote Originally Posted by limey View Post
    Has anyone read the book Media Tried, Justice Denied on her case? That is the book I am looking for but hope it's not all one-sided in favour of her innocence. I'd like to make up my own mind.
    I've read two books, but not this one. I read Hush Little Babies and Flesh and Blood. Haven't gotten to Precious Angels yet, although it's on my shelf. After reading Hush Little Babies, I still had some reasonable doubt. If I had been on the jury and the facts presented in that book were all I had to go on, I'd have probably voted to acquit. I understand the author of that book has now changed her mind and believes Darlie is innocent. However, after reading Flesh and Blood, which contained a lot of facts the other book left out, my reasonable doubt fled. Given that set of facts, as a juror, I'd have voted just the way the real jury did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Image Maker View Post
    It took only a split second after viewing the video of her singing Happy Birthday and shooting Silly String on her boys' graves to know that she was guilty. How is it humanly possible for the mother of two murdered children to stand at their grave site, only a few days after their horrific death, and be so cavelier? I would more than likely have had to be sedated for weeks and weeks after losing a child to murder, so as to keep me from spending every waking moment hunting down and reciprocating my own vengence on the monster who would dare harm my children.

    Not only was this so-called "mother" singing and laughing at their graves, but she was also chewing gum! I am certain that I would be so blinded by rage and grief, I would hardly know how to make my way out of the house let alone think to put a piece of gum in my mouth!

    I'm looking forward to the day when she has to answer for murdering those poor little defenseless angels. May God bless their souls.
    The gum chewing has always struck me as well. It seemed to be such a relaxed, unnatural thing to do at a time like that. Her hair and make up were done too. I understand keeping your appearance up but after my kids were brutally murdered I think the best I could do is shower. Maybe I am being overly critical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lisalouver View Post
    Great find Pink!

    Not only has she gained a ton of weight, what was up with that 1980's piled on top of her head hairdo?

    And she looks like she was spray tanning or something?

    Anyway, the reporter said that she came across as intelligent. I beg to differ. After seeing her chuckle and not come up with an answer when he asks her why people would basically frame her, I actually am convinced of her guilt.
    Thanks!thats halarious what you said about her hair!!lmao!

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    Ok, I have a question for everyone. I've never seen this asked before, although it's entirely possible I missed it. I just thought of it a little while ago.

    Is it possible that Darlie intended a murder/suicide thing? After she got through with the boys, she was going to kill herself, but chickened out when she sliced herself and felt how much it hurt?

    I dunno, maybe it's off the wall, but her case is one of those that makes you keep asking "why" for years afterwards. I can tell you the psychology behind a serial killer, but I still can't make myself understand how a mother can kill her own children.
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    I honestly thought they had put this women to sleep many years ago...along with that Susan Smith nut...another waste of our tax dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seagorath View Post
    I honestly thought they had put this women to sleep many years ago...along with that Susan Smith nut...another waste of our tax dollars.
    Both should be put to sleep for their hairstyles alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lisalouver View Post
    Both should be put to sleep for their hairstyles alone.
    lisalouver, you took the words out of my mouth.



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    I live here in TX and lived in Scurry, not far from where the murders took place. It was big news locally as you could imagine. I had other things pressing during this time and never really followed the case. So, I would have to read up more on it, myself.
    As for the way people mourn...when my father died I felt I had to be the "piller of strength" and was stoic up till the day of the funeral. Never really cried until weeks later...I feel that I might have caused my sister and mother to question my feelings during that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    As for the way people mourn...when my father died I felt I had to be the "piller of strength" and was stoic up till the day of the funeral. Never really cried until weeks later...I feel that I might have caused my sister and mother to question my feelings during that time.

    My best friend died a few years ago, and I was the same way. She was sick for months, and I was sitting at her bedside when she passed away, the only time I've been present when someone died.

    I was a rock right up until I got in the car after the funeral. We had been invited back to the church where the funeral was held for lunch, and I fully intended to go, just to support her husband and kids. We got in the car, I started it, and told my boys, "I can't handle one more thing. Let's just go home."

    But even with all that, people could tell I was actually grieving. When someone asked me how she was doing (before she died) I was never casual about it the way Darlie seems. You don't have to burst into tears every second for people to know you're grieving. People can still tell by your demeanor, the words you say, the words you choke up and fight back tears on, etc.
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    We're all in agreement that people act in different ways,and are sometimes in shock,but her display was the most innapropriate thing i've ever seen,to top it off,smacking that gum with that big shit eatin grin on her face??As one of those investigaters put it,she was dancing on their graves.I'd say,that silly string footage is what sealed her fate,more than any of the evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laura Castellano View Post
    Ok, I have a question for everyone. I've never seen this asked before, although it's entirely possible I missed it. I just thought of it a little while ago.

    Is it possible that Darlie intended a murder/suicide thing? After she got through with the boys, she was going to kill herself, but chickened out when she sliced herself and felt how much it hurt?

    I dunno, maybe it's off the wall, but her case is one of those that makes you keep asking "why" for years afterwards. I can tell you the psychology behind a serial killer, but I still can't make myself understand how a mother can kill her own children.

    Its not off the wall at all. Not long before the murders, Darlie called her husband at work and made him believe that she was going to commit suicide. There's also an entry into her diary that appeared to be an apology to her sons for what "she had to do." She had a histronic personality disorder. Even as far back as Darin's high school graduation party, she had mental problems. She wanted to leave his party and he wasn't ready. She stormed out of the party only to come back alleging that someone attempted to rape her. She got what she wanted, the attention was shifted back to her and Darin left his own party. No one believes she ever would have carried out a suicide. She thinks too much of herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laura Castellano View Post
    My best friend died a few years ago, and I was the same way. She was sick for months, and I was sitting at her bedside when she passed away, the only time I've been present when someone died.

    I was a rock right up until I got in the car after the funeral. We had been invited back to the church where the funeral was held for lunch, and I fully intended to go, just to support her husband and kids. We got in the car, I started it, and told my boys, "I can't handle one more thing. Let's just go home."

    But even with all that, people could tell I was actually grieving. When someone asked me how she was doing (before she died) I was never casual about it the way Darlie seems. You don't have to burst into tears every second for people to know you're grieving. People can still tell by your demeanor, the words you say, the words you choke up and fight back tears on, etc.

    The only thing that makes me question Darlie's mourning at all is the fact that she claims to have been very tearful, in fact almost hysterical just minutes before the silly string party. There is no evidence, however, that she even shed a tear. No blotchy skin, no red eyes, nothing in that video that would lead one to believe she had been crying mere minutes beforehand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeonCandy View Post
    The only thing that makes me question Darlie's mourning at all is the fact that she claims to have been very tearful, in fact almost hysterical just minutes before the silly string party. There is no evidence, however, that she even shed a tear. No blotchy skin, no red eyes, nothing in that video that would lead one to believe she had been crying mere minutes beforehand.
    No running mascara...you're right. Also, I had completely forgotten about her earlier "cry rape" thing. I only know how I would act of two of my kids had been brutally butchered a couple of feet away from me. I'd be on so many drugs I doubt I could get out of bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laura Castellano View Post
    Ok, I have a question for everyone. I've never seen this asked before, although it's entirely possible I missed it. I just thought of it a little while ago.

    Is it possible that Darlie intended a murder/suicide thing? After she got through with the boys, she was going to kill herself, but chickened out when she sliced herself and felt how much it hurt?

    I dunno, maybe it's off the wall, but her case is one of those that makes you keep asking "why" for years afterwards. I can tell you the psychology behind a serial killer, but I still can't make myself understand how a mother can kill her own children.

    Let's talk about this for a minute. If she intended to kill them, and then herself, would you not think that it was because she was so sad, and didn't want to leave her kids here? Why not do it during the day, and take all three. She was a stay at home mom, so she could have done it anytime, with no one around.

    Also, if she was so concerned about her babies, wouldn't she have given them and over dose of cough meds or something like that to put them to sleep, and never wake up? This was a violent crime.

    Picture it for a minute: She or someone stood over or bent down over these boys and stabbed them with a knife that was intended to cut meat.

    When they started to crawl away, she kept stabbing. Did they wonder what was going on? Did they cry out in pain, or were they scared.

    The one person in their lives that loved and cared about was either there not doing anything, or was actually doing this to them.

    In her own testimony she said that one of the boys followed her into the kitchen. Was he crying momma? Did he want to be comforted? Did he want her help? She said she tried to follow who ever did this. Why? She couldn't defend herself when they were there. Where was her moment of compassion for her babies? While she was on the phone, why did it take so long? Tell 911 my babies have been stabbed and then go to them. She said one was still alive. Why be on the damn phone, when you could have spent the last couple of minutes with your baby, before he went back to live with the Lord.

    I'm sorry people. They can do all the tests they want, but she had the motive, she was there, and there is no proof that anyone else was there.

    There is a difference in not being guilty, and not thinking this was such a good idea after all. I wonder what plan B was?

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