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    as much as I want to think perhaps she is innocent I just cannot get over her lack of remorse or guilt ..or just gee Im sorry this happened...I mean she is in court complimenting her bf on his haircut..laughing and smiling......and every interview is all me, me and me.....poor me......its like someone is dead you think she take it a bit more seriouse......and instead she is telling intreviewers I get so many love notes and flowers....they tell me they love me...its like honey your roomate is dead!!! And you stand accused help me to undersatnd despite the evidene you are innocent...she dose nothing to endear herself to anyone....

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    She is one of the most narcissistic people than I have ever seen outside of my mother in law

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    She is soooo done. I can honestly say that I think they are going to fry her. She just comes across as being more and more guilty each day.

    Police: Co-Ed Slay Suspect Knox Did Cartwheels After Murder

    Friday , February 27, 2009

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    PERUGIA, Italy —
    Italian investigators testified Friday in the murder trial of an American student and her former boyfriend, with one saying the American turned cartwheels in the police station after the killing. A court in Perugia, in central Italy, heard testimony from detectives who inspected the apartment where 21-year-old Meredith Kercher, a Briton, was found stabbed to death on Nov. 2, 2007.
    Kercher's roommate, University of Washington student Amanda Knox, and Knox's Italian former boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, are charged with murder and sexual violence. They were escorted into court Friday by police guards, and looked tense.
    Domenico Giacinto Profazio, the former head of the Perugia flying squad, reconstructed the probe that led to the arrest of the two defendants as well as a third suspect, Ivory Coast national Rudy Hermann Guede. Guede was sentenced to 30 years in jail last year in a fast-track trial he had requested. All three deny wrongdoing.
    Profazio said Knox and Sollecito had a "strange attitude" when they were brought to the police station for questioning following the discovery of Kercher's body. He said that on one occasion Knox sat on Sollecito's lap.
    "I told them it was not appropriate," Profazio said.
    He also recalled other officers reporting that Knox was doing cartwheels and splits in the police station.
    Profazio also listed DNA evidence that prosecutors say points to Knox and Sollecito.
    Prosecutors say Knox's DNA was found on the handle of a knife that might have been used in the slaying, and the victim's DNA was found on the blade. The knife was found at Sollecito's house.
    They also say they found Sollecito's DNA on the victim's bra, although his defense team says the bra bore multiple DNA traces and maintain the evidence might have been inadvertently contaminated during the investigation.
    Prosecutors allege that Kercher was killed during what began as a sex game, with Sollecito holding her by the shoulders from behind while Knox touched her with the point of a knife. They say Guede tried to sexually assault Kercher and then Knox fatally stabbed her in the throat.
    On Saturday, forensic officers are also scheduled to take the stand.


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    A woman's shoe print compatible with the shoe size of Amanda Knox was found on a pillow under the body of murdered British student Meredith kercher, a court heard today.

    Monica Napoleoni, who heads the homicide squad in the city of Perugia, testified that forensic experts determined the shoe's size ranged from 36 to 38 and that Knox wears a size 37.

    The print has not been matched to any specific shoe yet.

    Yesterday it was revealed that Amanda Knox did the splits and a cartwheel on the night she was arrested over the murder of British student Meredith Kercher.

    Police officer Giacinto Profazio said the 21-year-old American also sat on the knee of her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito as they showed a 'strange attitude' after the victim was found with her throat cut.

    Mr Profazio was head of the Flying Squad in Perugia, Italy, where Miss Kercher, 21, was murdered in the house she shared with Knox.

    He said he had told Knox and Sollecito, 24, what he thought of their behaviour when they were arrested three days later.

    'She was in a room at the police station sitting on his knee,' he said. 'I told them it was not appropriate.

    'I was also told that she did the splits and a cartwheel in one of the rooms at the station. Then after being questioned, she burst into tears.'
    Both are accused of the murder and sexual assault of Miss Kercher, of Coulsdon, Surrey, allegedly after she refused to take part in a drug-fuelled sex game.

    The American, who has dubbed herself Foxy Knoxy, wore jeans and a purple top yesterday, and seemed more sombre than previously.

    Marco Chiaccheria, deputy head of the town's Flying Squad, told how he discovered pornographic magazines at Sollecito's house. He added that Knox and Sollecito had been 'uncooperative', saying: 'They just seemed to be constantly hugging each other.

    'They were being very affectionate and I found their behaviour different from the others [who had been questioned]. They appeared to resent the questions.'


    Meredith was on a year's study visit to Italy when she was killed in 2007

    Mr Profazio said a broken window in the house was said to have been used by an intruder to get in on the night of the killing. 'I thought it strange as it would have needed a superhuman effort to climb up to it,' he added. 'There was a much easier way in at the back, via a terrace and a boiler.There was a chair and table on the terrace and it would have been a lot easier to get in this way.'

    Mr Profazio also told the court that a 30cm kitchen knife found at Sollecito's house had DNA from Miss Kercher on the blade and DNA from Knox on the handle.

    He told how both Knox and Sollecito's mobile phones had been switched off 'practically at the same time' between 8pm and 8.30pm the night of the murder.

    Mr Profazio, who is is now leading the Narcotics Division in Rome, told the court how he had been on holiday at the time of the murder but immediately returned to work.

    He said: 'I was away when I had a phone call from colleagues telling me that there had been a terrible murder. The body of an English girl had been found with her throat cut.

    'I immediately headed back to Perugia and got to the scene at the same time as the forensic officers from Rome. I did not go into the house as I had just had a shave and haircut and didn't want to contaminate the scene.'

    Later Monica Napoleone, head of the Perugia murder squad, also described Knox's unusual behaviour at the police station where she had been taken for questioning.

    Ms Napoleone said: 'She had complained that she was feeling tired and at that stage I told her that she could go if she wanted.

    'She said she wanted to stay, Sollecito was also at the station at the time and she said she wanted to wait for him.

    'A few minutes later I walked past a room at the police station where she was waiting and I saw Amanda doing the splits and a cartwheel. It was around 11am on November 5th.

    'She and Sollecito had had a bizarre attitude throughout the whole time - they were laughing, kissing and pulling faces at each other.


    Raffaele Sollecito arrives at a court session. He is on trial alongside Knox

    'When they were brought in after poor Meredith's body was found the flatmates and the British friends were very upset but Knox and Sollecito seemed to be more interested in each other.

    'They were very indifferent to the situation and I found it quite disturbing considering that the body of a young girl had been found in such terrible circumstances.'

    Ms Napoleone told the court that while at the police station Knox had been 'treated very well' she has claimed that she was beaten, although prosecutor Mignini did not ask her directly if this was true.

    Ms Napoleone said: 'She was given water, chamomile tea and breakfast as well, she was given cakes from a vending machine and then taken to the canteen at the police station for something to eat.'

    Ms Napoleone also told the court she had found a used tub of Vaseline in Meredith's bedroom during a search of the murder scene.

    When asked under cross examination directly if Knox had been hit, Ms Napoleone replied: 'I have already said she was treated well. Firmly but well.

    'She was not hit or insulted at any point and as I said she was even taken for breakfast in the morning.'

    Knox and Sollecito deny the charges and the trial continues.

    The court has already heard from Italian postal police who were first at the scene and who denied entering the bedroom where Meredith's body was found. This has been disputed by other witnesses.

    Earlier this month the court also heard from seven of Meredith's British friends who described Knox's behaviour after the murder as 'cold and unemotional.'

    Before the hearing started Knox's father, Curt, said: 'The fact that we are going to hear from 12 police and forensic officers leads me to believe that there is weakness in what they have to say.

    'The only real evidence we have heard so far has been inconsistencies in the stories of the postal police who were the first on the scene and Italian friends of Amanda's flatmates.

    'Then we have also heard perceptions of how Amanda should have acted - she is bearing up well but think how you would feel if your freedom had been taken away from you for 16 months.'

    Judge Giancarlo Massei and the jury will also hear from Edgardo Giobbi, heard of the forensic squad in Rome which investigated the murder and gathered the DNA and scientific evidence against Knox and Sollecito.

    Evidence will also include mobile telephone records which will piece together the movements of Knox and Sollecito in the hours before and after the murder through 'cell or antenna locations'.

    Knox and Sollecito have denied any involvement in the murder and their defence teams say that the DNA evidence against them is contaminated and flawed.

    Meredith was in Perugia as part of a year long exchange programme with her European Studies degree at Leeds University and had only been in Italy eight weeks before she was murdered.

    Earlier this month the house where she was killed was also the scene of a break-in by suspected Satanists who left knives and candles in various rooms and which is still being investigated by police.

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    This is just getting ridiculous now - so - having pornographic magazines means you're guilty of murder, does it? so what if there was a used tub of vaseline in Meredith's room - I use vaseline as a beauty aid, what on earth are they trying to suggest? well, I can only think of one thing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Moline View Post
    This is just getting ridiculous now - so - having pornographic magazines means you're guilty of murder, does it? so what if there was a used tub of vaseline in Meredith's room - I use vaseline as a beauty aid, what on earth are they trying to suggest? well, I can only think of one thing...
    Bloody womens shoeprint matching the size of Amanda Knox' foot found in a room that was locked and had to broken down by the police and a knife with Amandas DNA on the handle, Merediths DNA on the blade was found at Raffaele's house

    The pornography and vaseline are irrelevant.

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    Wicked,

    perhaps you should peruse this article - it explains the DNA on the knife and the bloody shoeprint.

    http://www.crimejunkies.com/Site/AMANDA_KNOXS_CASE.html
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    Oooohhh! I wonder what she is going to say!
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/201615?GT1=43002

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    Quote Originally Posted by lab_rat View Post
    Oooohhh! I wonder what she is going to say!
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/201615?GT1=43002

    I'm really surprised they're putting her on the stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pvezz View Post
    I'm really surprised they're putting her on the stand.

    That's why I'm so ineterested in her testimony....

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    I just dont know about this one...this girl dose noting to make me pity her situation at all...she comes across cold and uncareing ...but then I have to ask myself dose this make her guilty? I just think there is so much trouble with the evidence .....Im very curiouse as to what she will say. Im torn on her guilt as well....an each time they show thats video of her and the bf kissing I wnat to throw up who the hell kissess like that at a freakin crome scene ..but again dose that make her guilty ? Im torn......

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    Interesting case, and simply from what I'd be interested in, is Italy's procedural law. It's my understanding Amanda can lie on the witness stand and not be accused of perjury, it's simply expected the accused will lie.
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    Gulity as sin me thinks,the parents need to open their eyes also on this one

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    As I've said before on this thread...FWIW I think Amanda & Rafaele are innocent..the whole prosecution's scenario just seems so...implausible...I just don't buy it!
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    not sure if this has been posted already but here is something I just found.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8096980.stm

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    I think she's guilty. When I see reports about this on the news, she's always smiling, laughing and doing the poor me act. She killed Meredith and I hope she is found guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky_Stone View Post
    I think she's guilty. When I see reports about this on the news, she's always smiling, laughing and doing the poor me act. She killed Meredith and I hope she is found guilty.
    To be fair though, Spooky I wonder if those pictures are taken when she's smiling at her family in court? to show that she's bearing up under the circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Moline View Post
    To be fair though, Spooky I wonder if those pictures are taken when she's smiling at her family in court? to show that she's bearing up under the circumstances.
    Maybe. I mean maybe when I see her smile and acting up, I think she's guilty. Even my Mum said people are quick to judge these days and maybe she got mixed up with the murder but never killed her. My Mum sees her as innocent but for me I feel she's guilty, I am one of those people who judge to quickly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky_Stone View Post
    Maybe. I mean maybe when I see her smile and acting up, I think she's guilty. Even my Mum said people are quick to judge these days and maybe she got mixed up with the murder but never killed her. My Mum sees her as innocent but for me I feel she's guilty, I am one of those people who judge to quickly
    I can see where you're coming from Spooky. TBH, I blame the "trial-by-media" mentality which is so prevalent these days. Especially, just as this case was breaking they'd looked at her Facebook profile and as she'd written stories about rape and murder, then she MUST have done it! I know I'm repeating myself as I said earlier on in this thread, just imagine if one of us was accused of a serious crime, and it came to light that we were a member of this forum AND liked looking at pictures of dead people! the press would have a field day!

    So, what I'm trying to say, as the press are so manipulative (and let's face it, the sensational stories sell papers) that they're constantly printing pics of AK when she's smiling, and as I said before this may not be at all sinister. It merely makes her look like a remorseless, cold-blooded killer.

    I've made up my mind about this case a long time ago - a girl of previous good character, not known to have deviant characteristics, hooks up with Italian BF who then persuades her (bearing in mind they've only known each other two weeks or so) to force her room-mate into a kinky sex-session - oh please!

    They've even tried to imply that Meredith was uncomfortable with Amanda as she noticed that she had a vibrator in her wash-bag...they're really clutching at straws, that is beyond pathetic!

    As far as I'm concerned the REAL killer is behind bars, Rudy Guede. In the early days he didn't even mention AK & RS - he said he was on the toilet & another killer stole in and murdered MK. IF AK & RS HAD been involved, why didn't Rudy state that? after all, he'd have nothing to lose by doing so and might even have got him off the hook. I believe he's changed his story now though, to fit the prosecution's theory, what a surprise...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Moline View Post
    Wicked,

    perhaps you should peruse this article - it explains the DNA on the knife and the bloody shoeprint.

    http://www.crimejunkies.com/Site/AMANDA_KNOXS_CASE.html
    It doesn't explain the footprint at all because a lot of stuff has come out since that article was written last year.

    We know there were 2 bare footprints, size 42 (Raffaele's size) and 37 (Amanda's), we know there was a size 37 Womens Asics trainer print, and we know there was a size 46 Nike trainer print (Rudy's)

    The womans size 37 trainer print was found on a pillow under Meredith's body in a locked room don't forget.

    As far as the knife goes

    Upon arrival, the Kercher family quietly took seats in the courtroom behind their Florentine lawyers, Francesco Maresca and Serena Perna, who opened their case with two expert witnesses: a coroner, and a leading forensic geneticist from a Florence hospital.

    Mr Maresca told the court that the expert witnesses “sustained the prior results and valuations of the coroner who performed the autopsy and the forensic evidence specialists who already testified”. He added: “And for the first time today, we also heard that the bruises on the victim’s hips were consistent with a sexually violent approach.”

    Professor Gianaristide Norelli testified that the multiple lesions on Ms Kercher’s body were consistent with being held and attacked by more than one person. He said she died of suffocation and interpreted her stab wounds as having been inflicted as threats during a struggle. The wounds, mostly on the side of her neck, were possibly inflicted by two different knives, he said, but noted that one of the stab wounds was compatible with the alleged murder weapon.

    Professor Francesca Torricelli told the court that she believed the samples of Mr Sollecito’s DNA found on Ms Kercher’s bra clasp was a significant enough amount that it was unlikely to have been left by contamination. She also sustained a previous forensic biologist’s findings that Ms Knox’s DNA was found on the handle and the victim’s on the blade.
    Knox’s DNA was found on the handle of a kitchen knife which also had Miss Kercher's DNA on its point. The knife was recovered from the flat of co-accused Sollecito.

    DNA from Knox and Meredith was also found in blood stains found in the bidet of the bathroom, sink and on a box of cotton wool buds. Dr Stefanoni said the bloodstains were "slightly pink as if the result of being washed".

    The court heard how DNA from Sollecito was found on a metal clasp that had been cut away from Meredith's bra and which was found at the scene.

    DNA from Knox and Meredith was also found in a blood stain found in the bedroom of flatmate Laura Romanelli - where the prosecution claims a window was smashed to make the murder look like a bungled break in.

    Let's not forget as well her first "confession" where she tried to drop the barman in it and said that she was there and covered her ears so she wouldn't have to hear Meredith screaming

    A police report to be presented to the investigating judge today is expected to accuse Ms Knox of lying in her statement and forcing Mr Sollecito to give her a “false alibi”.

    Mr Sollecito initially told police that Ms Knox was with him on the night of the murder. He later admitted that this was untrue and said that he had spent the evening alone in his flat and that Ms Knox had returned to spend the night with him from about 1am.

    Police believe that all three suspects were present at the time of the murder, although Mr Sollecito told them he received a phone call at his home from his father Franco at 11.30pm, which his father confirmed.

    Ms Knox made her “confession” to police when she was taken in for questioning at dawn yesterday. She had claimed earlier to have left the cottage at 5pm on Thursday and returned only the next morning when Ms Kercher’s body was discovered. She now admits that she was at the house. She said that on the evening of November 1 she had met Mr Lumumba, who owned the Le Chic pub where she sometimes worked, at about 9pm after they had exchanged texts. She told police they had gone to the cottage. “I don’t remember if my friend Meredith was already there or whether she came later. What I can say is that [Meredith and Patrick] went off together.”

    She added that she and Mr Lumumba had told Ms Kercher they wanted to “have some fun”. “Patrick wanted her [Ms Kercher], and he had her,” she said. “Patrick and Meredith went off together into Meredith’s room while I think I stayed in the kitchen. I can’t remember how long they were in the bedroom together, I can only say that at a certain point I heard Meredith screaming and I was so frightened I put my fingers in my ears.” She claimed she had had a lot to drink and had fallen asleep.

    She added: “I’m not sure whether Raffaele was there too that evening but I do remember waking up at his house in his bed and that in the morning I went back to where I lived, where I found the door open.” Police said that Mr Sollecito had continued to claim he was not present on the evening of the murder. In his testimony he said he and Ms Knox went into town until 8.30pm or 9pm, when he returned home.

    “I don’t remember what we did,” he said. “Amanda told me she was going to the Le Chic pub to meet friends.”

    He said that he had gone home, “smoked a joint”, eaten dinner and then spoken to his father on the phone. After surfing the internet for a couple of hours he went to bed. Ms Knox had returned at around 1am. He said that Ms Knox rose at 10am the next morning, before leaving to go to the cottage to change her clothes before she returning and saying that she had seen blood there. The pair went to investigate.

    He claimed his previous statement had been “rubbish” because he had “believed Amanda’s version of what happened”. He did not “think about the inconsistencies”.
    Lets also not forget one of their friends saying that she hoped that Meredith hadn't been in too much pain, and Amanda's reply of "Of course she was in fucking pain, she was stabbed in the fucking neck" well before Police had even revealed that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Moline View Post
    I can see where you're coming from Spooky. TBH, I blame the "trial-by-media" mentality which is so prevalent these days. Especially, just as this case was breaking they'd looked at her Facebook profile and as she'd written stories about rape and murder, then she MUST have done it! I know I'm repeating myself as I said earlier on in this thread, just imagine if one of us was accused of a serious crime, and it came to light that we were a member of this forum AND liked looking at pictures of dead people! the press would have a field day!

    So, what I'm trying to say, as the press are so manipulative (and let's face it, the sensational stories sell papers) that they're constantly printing pics of AK when she's smiling, and as I said before this may not be at all sinister. It merely makes her look like a remorseless, cold-blooded killer.

    I've made up my mind about this case a long time ago - a girl of previous good character, not known to have deviant characteristics, hooks up with Italian BF who then persuades her (bearing in mind they've only known each other two weeks or so) to force her room-mate into a kinky sex-session - oh please!

    They've even tried to imply that Meredith was uncomfortable with Amanda as she noticed that she had a vibrator in her wash-bag...they're really clutching at straws, that is beyond pathetic!

    As far as I'm concerned the REAL killer is behind bars, Rudy Guede. In the early days he didn't even mention AK & RS - he said he was on the toilet & another killer stole in and murdered MK. IF AK & RS HAD been involved, why didn't Rudy state that? after all, he'd have nothing to lose by doing so and might even have got him off the hook. I believe he's changed his story now though, to fit the prosecution's theory, what a surprise...
    Like I said my Mum thinks she's innocent and was pulled into this murder. I mean if I was her, I'd be freaking out but people handle what she's going through different. I thought when she took the stand, she spoke well. I know the press can make more out of this, you're right if I killed someone they would love this website. I can't imagine the headlines this website would give someone on trial! I dont know to be honest, my Mum think she's innocent and that will be proven soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Moline View Post
    I can see where you're coming from Spooky. TBH, I blame the "trial-by-media" mentality which is so prevalent these days. Especially, just as this case was breaking they'd looked at her Facebook profile and as she'd written stories about rape and murder, then she MUST have done it! I know I'm repeating myself as I said earlier on in this thread, just imagine if one of us was accused of a serious crime, and it came to light that we were a member of this forum AND liked looking at pictures of dead people! the press would have a field day!

    So, what I'm trying to say, as the press are so manipulative (and let's face it, the sensational stories sell papers) that they're constantly printing pics of AK when she's smiling, and as I said before this may not be at all sinister. It merely makes her look like a remorseless, cold-blooded killer.

    I've made up my mind about this case a long time ago - a girl of previous good character, not known to have deviant characteristics, hooks up with Italian BF who then persuades her (bearing in mind they've only known each other two weeks or so) to force her room-mate into a kinky sex-session - oh please!

    They've even tried to imply that Meredith was uncomfortable with Amanda as she noticed that she had a vibrator in her wash-bag...they're really clutching at straws, that is beyond pathetic!

    As far as I'm concerned the REAL killer is behind bars, Rudy Guede. In the early days he didn't even mention AK & RS - he said he was on the toilet & another killer stole in and murdered MK. IF AK & RS HAD been involved, why didn't Rudy state that? after all, he'd have nothing to lose by doing so and might even have got him off the hook. I believe he's changed his story now though, to fit the prosecution's theory, what a surprise...

    I agree with you Rosa, and Rudy Guede also tried to flee the country afterwards. I think they found him in Germany or something like that?

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    New York Times ... defense of Amanda Knox.

    Anne Bremner, defending Amanda, pro bono.

    http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...nocent-abroad/

    I am inclined toward believing in her innocence.
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    Wicked,

    I've just skimmed through your post and I'm sure I read somewhere that there is a possibility of contamination re: DNA found on knife and bra clasp as the police were very careless about Meredith's room being sealed off as a crime scene immediately, hence the cross-contamination from all sorts of individuals.
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    When I saw Amanda take the stand, I thought someone had hit her. It was a cold sore on her lip, not a cut from a slap. I will admit I am starting to think she's innocent and they are trying to force her to say she did it.

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    Sorry for pasting so much, I don't want to post the results of the entire page, but as far as the knife goes

    Patrizia Stefanoni has not stated that Meredith’s DNA was extracted 500 times from the knife sample, as some people with what seemed a google-level knowledge of molecular biology were claiming to muddy the waters.

    The DNA was actually extracted 50 times from Meredith’s specimens and was used to compare it to other biological traces, including the one found on the knife. And it provided the forensic team with good samples to be compared to the traces found on the knife.

    Two genetic profiles are identical and therefore belong to the same individual if a) they are in the same position, and b) they have identical shape and dimension. In this case, each peak produced in the original samples exactly corresponds to the peaks yielded by the knife sample, position, shape and dimension… Say so long to the “matching half of Italy” myth!

    Furthermore, Stefanoni excluded any possibility of contamination in the lab, stating that it had never once occurred in her lab for at least the last seven years, and every precaution was taken in order to exclude possibility of contamination so that different traces are not mixed.

    Contamination during the collection phase was also excluded: the forensic team that found the knife was a different one from those who searched the cottage, so how could Meredith’s DNA possibly have been “transferred to the knife”?

    Furthermore, the knife was put in a shoe box after it was bagged, and it stayed there until it reached the lab. And once again… DNA doesn’t fly, it doesn’t creep, and it sure doesnt penetrate a plastic bag!
    Lie ten. When Sollecito heard that the scientific police had found Meredith’s DNA on the double DNA knife in his apartment. He told a cock and bull story about accidentally pricking Meredith’s hand whilst cooking at his apartment.

    “The fact that Meredith’s DNA is on my kitchen knife is because once, when we were all cooking together, I accidentally pricked her hand.’’

    Meredith had never been to Sollecito’s apartment. Sollecito could not have accidentally pricked her hand whilst cooking.

    It’s highly telling that Sollecito wasn’t surprised that the forensic police had found Meredith’s DNA on the double DNA knife in his apartment. He knew Meredith’s DNA was on the blade, which is why he made up the silly cock and bull story. He was attempting to explain the presence of Meredith’s DNA on the blade, but in doing so, he further incriminated himself and Amanda Knox.

    Manuela Comodi, the deputy prosecutor, explained during the hearings that the prosecution had not called either Knox or Sollecito as witnesses “because there is no point. Every time they were questioned during the pre-trial investigation they lied or tried to derail the inquiry.”

    Judge Paolo Micheli, who presided over Rudy Guede fast-track trial and sent Knox and Sollecito to trial, didn’t believe many of their claims. He noted that they had given triple alibis and had lied in attempt to cover for each other.

    Sollecito’s lawyers claim that he lied out of confusion and fear. However, Sollecito lied from the very first time he spoke to the police when he wasn’t a suspect. His lies cannot be attributed to confusion and fear.
    As far as the bra strap goes

    Now let’s speak about the bra clasp.

    The DNA found on the clasp has been defined as abundant and identified as belonging to Sollecito without any doubt. It should have been collected earlier in the process, but DNA evidence is often collected weeks or months after the crime when an object involved is unearthed.

    The chances that it has been contaminated are at zero: the sample was found under the pillow on November 2, during the first search, and collected on December 18th when the second search took place by a different team.

    During this entire time, the clasp was laying on the floor of what has been testified to have been a completely sealed crime scene. So when and how could any contamination occur?

    Excluding a spontaneous migration of Sollecito ‘s DNA on the clasp from some unidentified location in the murder room or in the cottage, it could have only taken place during either the first or the second handling of the sample, so the fact that the clasp was recovered weeks later really bears no relevance.

    And additionally, where could any abundant amount of Sollecito ‘s biological matter come from, if besides that on the bra clasp, the DNA corresponding to his genetic profile was only found on a cigarette butt?

    Perhaps this is why Sollecito’s lawyer Ms Buongiorno is now claiming that the bra clasp was contaminated in the laboratory. She is reduced to having to claim that in effect Dr Stefanoni applies strict laboratory procedures when testing Guede‘s or other peoples’ specimens, but somehow miserably fails when the samples belong to Sollecito and Knox.

    Finally, let’s not forget that Rudy Guede’s DNA was not found “all over” the victim, but only on the right side of her bra, on the left cuff of her jumper, and inside her body. If passive transfer of DNA is so easy to happen, and if Guede is the only one who physically attacked Meredith, how comes his DNA was found only in these three places on the victim’s body?

    DNA is NOT easy to transfer. Dr Stefanoni is absolutely correct when she says that “transfer of DNA must not be taken for granted nor it is easy to happen, and more likely to take place if the original trace is aqueous, not if it is dry”.

    About the possibility of contamination having taken place in the lab, this is a risk that everyone working with PCR is well aware of. It is certainly not probable that it could occur every time a biological sample is tested. In fact, it is very unlikely to happen when the routine strict precautions are taken.

    And there is no doubt that Dr Stefanoni was extremely cautious when handling any of these samples.
    There is actually a really good site that is covering all of this , and a lot of the stuff that has been taken as given and later discredited is listed here

    http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C356/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky_Stone View Post
    When I saw Amanda take the stand, I thought someone had hit her. It was a cold sore on her lip, not a cut from a slap. I will admit I am starting to think she's innocent and they are trying to force her to say she did it.
    She was only ever interrogated for 3 hours before she was held as a suspect and her own lawyer said at Rudy's trial that the police never beat her

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    This whole contamination thing is just strange. So lot's of investigators where going in and out. It shouldn't change anything if they found Amanda's blood on objects in the room or Meredith's in hers. You can't change DNA.


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    This whole case is beyond strange, Miho. I read about so many things which make her seem as guilty as hell, then there seems to be so much evidence which portrays her as innocent. Not to mention the whole prosecution's theory which seems just frankly implausible, bizarre and unbelievable. I still believe she's innocent though, but if she's found guilty in the face of irrefutable proof then I will be the first to admit I've been mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Moline View Post
    This whole case is beyond strange, Miho. I read about so many things which make her seem as guilty as hell, then there seems to be so much evidence which portrays her as innocent. Not to mention the whole prosecution's theory which seems just frankly implausible, bizarre and unbelievable. I still believe she's innocent though, but if she's found guilty in the face of irrefutable proof then I will be the first to admit I've been mistaken.

    I will gladly eat my words if she is found innocent, but my gut tells me it isn't so. I agree that the prosecution theory is just plain strange, but not if they were friggen insane. Considering some things Knox has done i wouldn't say no. I mean come on who does cart wheels in a court house before you are being arraigned for murder.

    Someone is a few knives short of a block set.


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    the kissing is what gets to me..it just bothers me...I mean Im sure we have all seen the footage were they are slowley and romantically kissing all soft and sweet.....it like your roomates butchered body is feet away with a gaping knife wound...and is she is innocent then her mama has to have a talk with her regarding how to act when your standing outside a crome scene ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickedkitten View Post
    Sorry for pasting so much, I don't want to post the results of the entire page, but as far as the knife goes
    Don't be sorry at all for pasting so much. This case has fascinated me since day one and we don't get many updates over here. Thanks Kitten :0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miho View Post
    I will gladly eat my words if she is found innocent, but my gut tells me it isn't so. I agree that the prosecution theory is just plain strange, but not if they were friggen insane. Considering some things Knox has done i wouldn't say no. I mean come on who does cart wheels in a court house before you are being arraigned for murder.

    Someone is a few knives short of a block set.
    I usually have a gut feeling on these things. But I really don't know on this one. The whole thing is so strange, twisted and sordid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisamarie View Post
    the kissing is what gets to me..it just bothers me...I mean Im sure we have all seen the footage were they are slowley and romantically kissing all soft and sweet.....it like your roomates butchered body is feet away with a gaping knife wound...and is she is innocent then her mama has to have a talk with her regarding how to act when your standing outside a crome scene ........
    Lisa - I know. If I found my roommate dead (if I had one) I would be hugging my boyfriend and crying (maybe taking pictures?). No almost full on making out with him. I can see hugging and holding for support, ya know?
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    Hi Guys, after posting a few messages on the Kristin Rossum thread, I thought I'd branch out.

    This too seems to be a strange case, there's a guy already serving 30 years for the murder who says he was there but not involved. Did he say who he thinks killed Meredith if not himself? His trial was behind 'closed-doors', does that mean we don't have access to his account of events?

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    I would hope the Italian judical system is able to cope and give a fair and correct verdict!
    There is often an underlying fear of agenda when foreigners are put to trial in some countries! Bot hopefully that is not about to happen. I think she will get a fair trial as there are people of different nationalities involved here and the eyes of the world are watching.
    Not sure why I think she may have somehow been involved in this crime?
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    yeah but have you seen the footage ?? Its not a comforting typw embrace its like these tiny makeout type kissess....and I can fully understand needing comfort and what not ...but it just seems wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisamarie View Post
    yeah but have you seen the footage ?? Its not a comforting typw embrace its like these tiny makeout type kissess....and I can fully understand needing comfort and what not ...but it just seems wrong.
    Yeah I have and I agree with you. It's kind of creepy!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris1971 View Post
    Hi Guys, after posting a few messages on the Kristin Rossum thread, I thought I'd branch out.

    This too seems to be a strange case, there's a guy already serving 30 years for the murder who says he was there but not involved. Did he say who he thinks killed Meredith if not himself? His trial was behind 'closed-doors', does that mean we don't have access to his account of events?
    He says that he was in the bathroom listening to music and when he opened the door - saw an unknown person attacking her. That was one of his stories. don't know what his final story was.

    I don't know how trials work over there, so it's true we may not have his actual account. But something I read (on this thread) says that there the witness can lie and not be subject to perjury! So we may never know the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryghost View Post
    I would hope the Italian judical system is able to cope and give a fair and correct verdict!
    There is often an underlying fear of agenda when foreigners are put to trial in some countries! Bot hopefully that is not about to happen. I think she will get a fair trial as there are people of different nationalities involved here and the eyes of the world are watching.
    Not sure why I think she may have somehow been involved in this crime?
    From what I have read their justice system is very different. They allow judges in the jury! And the jury takes a very long vacation before they decide if she is guilty. It seems odd but I am used to the system here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris1971 View Post
    Hi Guys, after posting a few messages on the Kristin Rossum thread, I thought I'd branch out.

    This too seems to be a strange case, there's a guy already serving 30 years for the murder who says he was there but not involved. Did he say who he thinks killed Meredith if not himself? His trial was behind 'closed-doors', does that mean we don't have access to his account of events?

    And WELCOME Chris!
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    Completely overlooking the behaviour afterwards, this is the statement that she wrote on the 6th of November and once again I'm sorry for pasting so much

    This is very strange, I know, but really what happened is as confusing to me as it is to everyone else. I have been told there is hard evidence saying that I was at the place of the murder of my friend when it happened. This, I want to confirm, is something that to me, if asked a few days ago, would be impossible.

    I know that Raffaele has placed evidence against me, saying that I was not with him on the night of Meredith's murder, but let me tell you this. In my mind there are things I remember and things that are confused. My account of this story goes as follows, despite the evidence stacked against me:

    On Thursday November 1 I saw Meredith the last time at my house when she left around 3 or 4 in the afternoon. Raffaele was with me at the time. We, Raffaele and I, stayed at my house for a little while longer and around 5 in the evening we left to watch the movie Amelie at his house. After the movie I received a message from Patrik [sic], for whom I work at the pub "Le Chic". He told me in this message that it wasn't necessary for me to come into work for the evening because there was no one at my work.

    Now I remember to have also replied with the message: "See you later. Have a good evening!" and this for me does not mean that I wanted to meet him immediately. In particular because I said: "Good evening!" What happened after I know does not match up with what Raffaele was saying, but this is what I remember. I told Raffaele that I didn't have to work and that I could remain at home for the evening. After that I believe we relaxed in his room together, perhaps I checked my email. Perhaps I read or studied or perhaps I made love to Raffaele. In fact, I think I did make love with him.

    However, I admit that this period of time is rather strange because I am not quite sure. I smoked marijuana with him and I might even have fallen asleep. These things I am not sure about and I know they are important to the case and to help myself, but in reality, I don't think I did much. One thing I do remember is that I took a shower with Raffaele and this might explain how we passed the time. In truth, I do not remember exactly what day it was, but I do remember that we had a shower and we washed ourselves for a long time. He cleaned my ears, he dried and combed my hair.

    One of the things I am sure that definitely happened the night on which Meredith was murdered was that Raffaele and I ate fairly late, I think around 11 in the evening, although I can't be sure because I didn't look at the clock. After dinner I noticed there was blood on Raffaele's hand, but I was under the impression that it was blood from the fish. After we ate Raffaele washed the dishes but the pipes under his sink broke and water flooded the floor. But because he didn't have a mop I said we could clean it up tomorrow because we (Meredith, Laura, Filomena and I) have a mop at home. I remember it was quite late because we were both very tired (though I can't say the time).

    The next thing I remember was waking up the morning of Friday November 2nd around 10am and I took a plastic bag to take back my dirty cloths to go back to my house. It was then that I arrived home alone that I found the door to my house was wide open and this all began. In regards to this "confession" that I made last night, I want to make clear that I'm very doubtful of the verity of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion. Not only was I told I would be arrested and put in jail for 30 years, but I was also hit in the head when I didn't remember a fact correctly. I understand that the police are under a lot of stress, so I understand the treatment I received.

    However, it was under this pressure and after many hours of confusion that my mind came up with these answers. In my mind I saw Patrik in flashes of blurred images. I saw him near the basketball court. I saw him at my front door. I saw myself cowering in the kitchen with my hands over my ears because in my head I could hear Meredith screaming. But I've said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my head has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked.

    But the truth is, I am unsure about the truth and here's why:

    1. The police have told me that they have hard evidence that places me at the house, my house, at the time of Meredith's murder. I don't know what proof they are talking about, but if this is true, it means I am very confused and my dreams must be real.

    2. My boyfriend has claimed that I have said things that I know are not true. I KNOW I told him I didn't have to work that night. I remember that moment very clearly. I also NEVER asked him to lie for me. This is absolutely a lie. What I don't understand is why Raffaele, who has always been so caring and gentle with me, would lie about this. What does he have to hide? I don't think he killed Meredith, but I do think he is scared, like me. He walked into a situation that he has never had to be in, and perhaps he is trying to find a way out by disassociating himself with me.

    Honestly, I understand because this is a very scary situation. I also know that the police don't believe things of me that I know I can explain, such as:

    1. I know the police are confused as to why it took me so long to call someone after I found the door to my house open and blood in the bathroom. The truth is, I wasn't sure what to think, but I definitely didn't think the worst, that someone was murdered. I thought a lot of things, mainly that perhaps someone got hurt and left quickly to take care of it. I also thought that maybe one of my roommates was having menstral [sic] problems and hadn't cleaned up. Perhaps I was in shock, but at the time I didn't know what to think and that's the truth. That is why I talked to Raffaele about it in the morning, because I was worried and wanted advice.

    2. I also know that the fact that I can't fully recall the events that I claim took place at Raffaele's home during the time that Meredith was murdered is incriminating. And I stand by my statements that I made last night about events that could have taken place in my home with Patrik, but I want to make very clear that these events seem more unreal to me that what I said before, that I stayed at Raffaele's house.

    3. I'm very confused at this time. My head is full of contrasting ideas and I know I can be frustrating to work with for this reason. But I also want to tell the truth as best I can. Everything I have said in regards to my involvement in Meredith's death, even though it is contrasting, are the best truth that I have been able to think.

    [illegible section]

    I'm trying, I really am, because I'm scared for myself. I know I didn't kill Meredith. That's all I know for sure. In these flashbacks that I'm having, I see Patrik as the murderer, but the way the truth feels in my mind, there is no way for me to have known because I don't remember FOR SURE if I was at my house that night. The questions that need answering, at least for how I'm thinking are:

    1. Why did Raffaele lie? (or for you) Did Raffaele lie?
    2. Why did I think of Patrik?
    3. Is the evidence proving my pressance [sic] at the time and place of the crime reliable? If so, what does this say about my memory? Is it reliable?
    4. Is there any other evidence condemning Patrik or any other person?
    3. Who is the REAL murder [sic]? This is particularly important because I don't feel I can be used as condemning testimone [sic] in this instance.

    I have a clearer mind that I've had before, but I'm still missing parts, which I know is bad for me. But this is the truth and this is what I'm thinking at this time. Please don't yell at me because it only makes me more confused, which doesn't help anyone. I understand how serious this situation is, and as such, I want to give you this information as soon and as clearly as possible.

    If there are still parts that don't make sense, please ask me. I'm doing the best I can, just like you are. Please believe me at least in that, although I understand if you don't. All I know is that I didn't kill Meredith, and so I have nothing but lies to be afraid of.
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    Awww cry me a river. Don't you just want to beat that smug look off her face? If I was on trial for a murder that I didn't commit I don't think I would ever smile again.

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    Knox told Italian TV that the family has spent more than $975,000 defending his daughter.
    "This is costing us a lot of money," he told talk show Matrix. "We are approaching seven digits. We have mortgaged everything, our retirement has gone, everything has gone. We will do all that it takes to get Amanda freed and we will worry about the finances later,'' he added, close to tears.
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    But Knox said the cost to prove her innocence is worth it. He pointed to the fact that Amanda had remained in Italy after the murder and not fled, unlike third defendant Rudy Guede, who was handed a 30-year sentence in October.
    ''When this happened, we asked her if she wanted to come home but she said she wanted to stay and help the police catch the person responsible for this terrible crime," he said.






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    PR Consultant eh? Definitely the first person I would have thought of hiring if my son was up on a murder charge. Oh wait.

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    Whatever personality flaws that Amanda may possess, if justice is seen to be done I sincerely hope that she is found NOT GUILTY when the trial resumes after summer recess. I can understand why some people dislike her on this forum, but IMO this is nothing more than being a young, naive girl, in a situation way over her head.

    A few things to consider:

    The REAL perp, Rudy Guede has been found guilty of Meredith's murder and is serving time. In his original statement he said he had consensual sex with Meredith & when he was using the bathroom, a "mystery man" broke in and killed her. A likely story! Rudy's DNA is everywhere. I just find the prosecutors theory that RS & AK, together with RG tried to force MK into an orgy and she refused, which resulted in her murder. RG & AK & RS didn't even know each other. AK & RS had been dating only two weeks - she was a regular college kid, so was he. You don't go from that to psychotic murderer in two weeks. Neither of them fits the profile, Rudy does. Funnily enough, he changes his story and says that RS is the mystery stranger when he discovers that AK & RS are also accused...hmmm

    There isn't a piece of DNA to link AK & RS to this crime. The knife from RS's apartment which has AK's DNA on the handle and MK's on the blade has been proven NOT to be the knife that killed MK. As for MK's DNA on the blade it has now been suggested it might not even been hers. The bra clasp of MK's which was alleged to have RS's DNA on it, was lying on the floor of the cottage for SIX WEEKS was more than likely cross contaminated by the number of people going in and out at that time. Again, the amount of DNA is minute & could be "anybodys"

    The person at the shop, who supposedly witnessed Amanda (think it was in fact the shopkeeper) sold his story for a large sum of money to a newspaper, and in the court could not state 100% that it was definitely her.

    Amanda's original "confession" was in fact, a series of hypothetical questions put to her without a lawyer and and a translator present. Imagine how you yourself could be in that situation.

    Amanda's character has been assassinated by mainly the British press from day one. When RS & AK went to buy underwear after the murder it wasn't sexy lingerie and a promise of "wild sex" (again, the supposed overheard conversation was from the shopkeeper, no doubt paid a few euros to talk to the press) it was merely that she couldn't access the cottage as it was now a crime scene and just wanted to buy plain cotton undies. Not unreasonable I would have thought. People have noted her reactions & behaviour and thought it inappropriate. Who knows how we would recat under those circumstances? shock can make people behave in a peculiar fashion...conversely, how many times have we seen individuals on the news, on an appeal for the return of their loved ones gone missing or have been murdered - turning in an oscar worthy performance, crying and sobbing hysterically, when it later transpires that THEY are in fact, guilty of that crime? think on that, if you will...

    Pictures have been taken of Amanda smiling and looking happy in court. Again, this has been interpreted by some as evidence of her guilt. IMO, these pics have been taken when AK is looking at her family. I'm sure if we were in a hell-hole of a prison for a crime we didn't commit, we'd be happy to see a loved one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Moline View Post
    Whatever personality flaws that Amanda may possess, if justice is seen to be done I sincerely hope that she is found NOT GUILTY when the trial resumes after summer recess. I can understand why some people dislike her on this forum, but IMO this is nothing more than being a young, naive girl, in a situation way over her head.

    A few things to consider:

    The REAL perp, Rudy Guede has been found guilty of Meredith's murder and is serving time. In his original statement he said he had consensual sex with Meredith & when he was using the bathroom, a "mystery man" broke in and killed her. A likely story! Rudy's DNA is everywhere. I just find the prosecutors theory that RS & AK, together with RG tried to force MK into an orgy and she refused, which resulted in her murder. RG & AK & RS didn't even know each other. AK & RS had been dating only two weeks - she was a regular college kid, so was he. You don't go from that to psychotic murderer in two weeks. Neither of them fits the profile, Rudy does. Funnily enough, he changes his story and says that RS is the mystery stranger when he discovers that AK & RS are also accused...hmmm

    There isn't a piece of DNA to link AK & RS to this crime. The knife from RS's apartment which has AK's DNA on the handle and MK's on the blade has been proven NOT to be the knife that killed MK. As for MK's DNA on the blade it has now been suggested it might not even been hers. The bra clasp of MK's which was alleged to have RS's DNA on it, was lying on the floor of the cottage for SIX WEEKS was more than likely cross contaminated by the number of people going in and out at that time. Again, the amount of DNA is minute & could be "anybodys"

    The person at the shop, who supposedly witnessed Amanda (think it was in fact the shopkeeper) sold his story for a large sum of money to a newspaper, and in the court could not state 100% that it was definitely her.

    Amanda's original "confession" was in fact, a series of hypothetical questions put to her without a lawyer and and a translator present. Imagine how you yourself could be in that situation.

    Amanda's character has been assassinated by mainly the British press from day one. When RS & AK went to buy underwear after the murder it wasn't sexy lingerie and a promise of "wild sex" (again, the supposed overheard conversation was from the shopkeeper, no doubt paid a few euros to talk to the press) it was merely that she couldn't access the cottage as it was now a crime scene and just wanted to buy plain cotton undies. Not unreasonable I would have thought. People have noted her reactions & behaviour and thought it inappropriate. Who knows how we would recat under those circumstances? shock can make people behave in a peculiar fashion...conversely, how many times have we seen individuals on the news, on an appeal for the return of their loved ones gone missing or have been murdered - turning in an oscar worthy performance, crying and sobbing hysterically, when it later transpires that THEY are in fact, guilty of that crime? think on that, if you will...

    Pictures have been taken of Amanda smiling and looking happy in court. Again, this has been interpreted by some as evidence of her guilt. IMO, these pics have been taken when AK is looking at her family. I'm sure if we were in a hell-hole of a prison for a crime we didn't commit, we'd be happy to see a loved one.
    Nice post Rosa, I agree with you.

    And don't forget that Rudy was also found trying to flee. If I remember correctly he was found in Germany? IMO, they already have Meredith's Killer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry's Cat View Post
    Italian police have released crime scene photos of just how violent, English Exchange student, Meredith Kercher’s end was

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=508528&in_page_id=1811

    No dead bodies but a lot of blood in these pictures



    that was a great link ....thank you
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    Interesting article which explains everything I've tried to convey - yes I do realise that this is from a pro-Amanda website, but I find it utterly convincing re: RS & AK's innocence.

    http://www.friendsofamanda.org/summary.html
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    I finally read up on this case. I need to know more before I decide if Amanda is involved. So far, it looks like she was high as a kite and isn't sure what went on. If nothing else, the police did a terrible job with the crime scene. Some of the evidence was there for two weeks, for example. Here is a good article from CNN.

    There is a lot about the prosecution's scenario that is ridiculous. I'm leaning toward the right killer being already in jail.

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    Verdict due around 4th December. Will be VERY interesting on the outcome. This has to be one of the most confusing crimes I've ever followed.
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