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    6 Year-Old Shoots Teacher at Virginia Elementary School

    A teacher at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News has “life-threatening injuries” after being shot by one of her students, the authorities said:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/u...-virginia.html
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    From what is being said he took it to school and was prepared to use it on this teacher. All the news are saying is a six year old is in custody. A kid that age passed me today on the street still holding on to his mother! It is unbelievable, and yet this is where we are.
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    6 years old. WTF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leasie View Post
    6 years old. WTF?
    It happens. I recall a case from years ago about a six year old boy (and a friend, IIRC) who murdered an elderly lady in her UK home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    From what is being said he took it to school and was prepared to use it on this teacher. All the news are saying is a six year old is in custody. A kid that age passed me today on the street still holding on to his mother! It is unbelievable, and yet this is where we are.
    I know, right? We never got into my parents' guns.
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    Scary days. Even scarier what some people post on news sites. For example, some person posted that the teacher probably bullied him until he snapped. Really????????? A six year old snaps by having a temper tantrum - not taking a gun and shooting someone. I work with 6 and 7 year olds every day and it makes me so sad that this child was able to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelle1966 View Post
    Scary days. Even scarier what some people post on news sites. For example, some person posted that the teacher probably bullied him until he snapped. Really????????? A six year old snaps by having a temper tantrum - not taking a gun and shooting someone. I work with 6 and 7 year olds every day and it makes me so sad that this child was able to do this.
    They have yet to say what this might have brought this on. I live near a school and see kids that age most days, just being an average kid! I just read a 12yr.old girl is in custody for stabbing her 9yr.old brother to death. Good God, where the hell are we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    They have yet to say what this might have brought this on. I live near a school and see kids that age most days, just being an average kid! I just read a 12yr.old girl is in custody for stabbing her 9yr.old brother to death. Good God, where the hell are we?
    Daddy had a gun rack full of rifles and his daddy's shotgun, and there was a .22 revolver with black grips in a chifforobe drawer. We were never told not to touch one, and like SomeChick, we never did, except when Daddy took us squirrel hunting.

    The twisted have always been among us, but i think there's more now than ever. I think that's apparent. I've also wondered if they are part of another species. They sure do act like it.
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    Yes, a species that doesn't give a damn about anything or anyone.
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    Abigail Zwerner, called Miss Z by her students

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    That is one dedicated teacher doing her job making sure others were safe before seeking out help for herself. God bless her.
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    Parents have been told the school was alerted beforehand that he might have a weapon so they checked his bag but nothing was found. It was seemingly his mother's weapon and officials have said they will now install metal detectors at schools across the district starting with the school the shooting took place at. There still doesn't seem to be a motive.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/school-dis...ry?id=96415199

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    Quote Originally Posted by shellc View Post
    Parents have been told the school was alerted beforehand that he might have a weapon so they checked his bag but nothing was found. It was seemingly his mother's weapon and officials have said they will now install metal detectors at schools across the district starting with the school the shooting took place at. There still doesn't seem to be a motive.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/school-dis...ry?id=96415199
    The question is who would have alerted them. As for not finding it in his backpack the only thing I can think of is he handed off to some other kid and they gave it back before the shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    The question is who would have alerted them. As for not finding it in his backpack the only thing I can think of is he handed off to some other kid and they gave it back before the shooting.
    With it being her weapon, I can only assume the mother was the one who realised it was missing and reported it. A police spokesman was asked about other searches but said she said she couldn't comment.

    Even being so young, the fact he knew to hide it makes me wonder if it was locked away but he had figured out how to get it. It was definitely intentional and at the minute he is being held at a medical facility while a judge is deciding what he can be charged with...if he can be charged to begin with because of his age. Thankfully the teacher has now improved and is able to speak. She is being praised by many as even after being shot, she made sure the kids were okay and escorted them outside the classroom to safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    The question is who would have alerted them. As for not finding it in his backpack the only thing I can think of is he handed off to some other kid and they gave it back before the shooting.
    He also could've had it hidden in his clothes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shellc View Post
    With it being her weapon, I can only assume the mother was the one who realised it was missing and reported it. A police spokesman was asked about other searches but said she said she couldn't comment.

    Even being so young, the fact he knew to hide it makes me wonder if it was locked away but he had figured out how to get it. It was definitely intentional and at the minute he is being held at a medical facility while a judge is deciding what he can be charged with...if he can be charged to begin with because of his age. Thankfully the teacher has now improved and is able to speak. She is being praised by many as even after being shot, she made sure the kids were okay and escorted them outside the classroom to safety.
    Quote Originally Posted by SomeChick View Post
    He also could've had it hidden in his clothes.
    Sounds like this kid was observant in watching how it was kept in the home. Still nothing on what transpired to make him do it. It probably was the mother who made the call, I guess they never checked to see if he had it on his person. Doing a pat-down on a 6yr.old? After this they may have to start doing that!
    Thank God the teacher is improving, I assume she has already told them what happened leading up to it. Very disturbing, I keep looking at kids that age and think you never know what is going on in their heads.
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    New information has been revealed where the family say the boy has an 'acute disability' and had an intensive care plan at the school. Usually he was accompained to school by either his mother or father as part of the plan and the week of the shooting was the first time neither was in class with him.

    Regarding the gun, the parents are reiterating it had been securely stashed at home but didn't answer how he managed to get hold of it. There still isn't any decision on whether to charge him and because of the new information, questions are being raised about why the school took no further action after checking his bag and finding nothing after the tip came in he had a gun.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/19/u...-shooting.html

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    The acute disability could help in his defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    That is one dedicated teacher doing her job making sure others were safe before seeking out help for herself. God bless her.
    I so agree with this.
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    It seems the school was actually warned three times he had a weapon before he shot the teacher. The teacher who did the initial search of the bag said she worried he had it hidden on him but was ignored. Later on, it was reported he had shown the gun to another pupil and threatened to shoot him if he said anything and it was once again dismissed. Then another teacher asked to search the bag but was told to wait as it was near home time. It seems the teacher...Abigail Zwerner had already raised concerns several times during the school year but was ignored even though he had previously threatened to light a teacher on fire and watch her die.

    The school superintendent has been fired and the headmaster has resigned. Abigail is at home recovering and is suing the district saying everything was preventable but ignored and as of today, there is still no news on charges.

    http://bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64406295

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...gs-downplayed/

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    Turns out this wasn't his first attempt at harming a teacher. A prosecuting lawyer has released the news that before shooting Abigail, he was known for causing trouble...cursing at staff, chasing other students and at one point tried to strangle another teacher.

    Two days before the shooting, he smashed her phone and was given a one day suspension then the next day, he came back and shot her while she was sitting at a reading table. She had gone to the Asst Principal earlier that day saying there was something off with him...that on top of the warnings from other teachers meant she should have automatically called the police but didn't.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/abby-zw...other-teacher/

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    Quote Originally Posted by shellc View Post
    Turns out this wasn't his first attempt at harming a teacher. A prosecuting lawyer has released the news that before shooting Abigail, he was known for causing trouble...cursing at staff, chasing other students and at one point tried to strangle another teacher.

    Two days before the shooting, he smashed her phone and was given a one day suspension then the next day, he came back and shot her while she was sitting at a reading table. She had gone to the Asst Principal earlier that day saying there was something off with him...that on top of the warnings from other teachers meant she should have automatically called the police but didn't.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/abby-zw...other-teacher/
    None of this makes any sense. The kid obviously has severe issues, by letting his behaviour slide like that is not helping him or anyone else. A lot of speculation as to what colour he is, hence the reason no one really did anything so not to be accused of racism. I don't give a damn what colour he is, the kid is dangerous and should not have been attending a regular school and allowed to blend in if he was a menace to students and staff. Look where this has got everyone. Move over Michael Myers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    None of this makes any sense. The kid obviously has severe issues, by letting his behaviour slide like that is not helping him or anyone else. A lot of speculation as to what colour he is, hence the reason no one really did anything so not to be accused of racism. I don't give a damn what colour he is, the kid is dangerous and should not have been attending a regular school and allowed to blend in if he was a menace to students and staff. Look where this has got everyone. Move over Michael Myers.
    It's not a surprise that the parents and their lawyer have suddenly clammed up now this new information has come out. The way they were making it out, it was a one off incident and seemed keen to tell everyone he had mental health issues but this is so far past that. They are also still claiming the gun was out of reach in a closet in her bedroom with a trigger lock on. So she is either lying or he figured out the combination...either way, it's been said that charges could still be brought on them. As for the boy, I think he needs to be somewhere that can actually help him because as much as they are trying to, his parents clearly can't control him. This is twice he has assaulted a teacher and thank god, both times they survived, the next person might not be so lucky if nothing is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shellc View Post
    It's not a surprise that the parents and their lawyer have suddenly clammed up now this new information has come out. The way they were making it out, it was a one off incident and seemed keen to tell everyone he had mental health issues but this is so far past that. They are also still claiming the gun was out of reach in a closet in her bedroom with a trigger lock on. So she is either lying or he figured out the combination...either way, it's been said that charges could still be brought on them. As for the boy, I think he needs to be somewhere that can actually help him because as much as they are trying to, his parents clearly can't control him. This is twice he has assaulted a teacher and thank god, both times they survived, the next person might not be so lucky if nothing is done.
    Way past! The problem is mental health issues. I have no idea how they are treated in the U.S. but here in Canada they are usually on the "catch and release" program. We had an incident here a couple of weeks ago where and elderly woman was knocked to the ground and died as a result of her injuries. He was on the streets and had been picked up twice before for assault. In and out process here for those with mental problems. The jails are full, or so they say. And not enough health care or places to put them. So they are walking time bombs. The kid should be in an institution, and you are right the next person might not be lucky. Personally I would be terrified by what this kid is capable of. It is a very strange case, I am sure other parents voiced their opinions but it seems this kid was deferred to and given a slap on the wrist and they were shut down. No one seems to be talking about that.
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    I keep wondering what could have happened to a 6 y/o kid to make him a monster? And then I remember 3 y/o Ted Bundy's sister (mother) waking up with him standing over her with a knife or whatever she saw. And I wonder if some kids are born evil.
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    One by one, people who shared responsibility in this are leaving. For example, the superintendent was let go. The assistant principal resigned. The principal was reassigned to a different position in the county. What baffles me is the principal claiming that she was not told that the child may have a gun. Was she not there that day? Was only the assistant principal there? If the principal was not there that day, I would think that the possibility of a child having a gun would warrant a telephone call to her.
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    The prosecutor has decided not to go ahead with any charges saying he wouldn't understand or be able to go through a trial. Whether the parents will be booked is still up in the air at the moment.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-charged.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by shellc View Post
    The prosecutor has decided not to go ahead with any charges saying he wouldn't understand or be able to go through a trial. Whether the parents will be booked is still up in the air at the moment.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-charged.html
    For the teachers sake I think the parents should be charged.
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    What would they be arrested for? Leaving guns out is the only thing I can think of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cindyt View Post
    I keep wondering what could have happened to a 6 y/o kid to make him a monster? And then I remember 3 y/o Ted Bundy's sister (mother) waking up with him standing over her with a knife or whatever she saw. And I wonder if some kids are born evil.
    Sadly some people are just born evil.
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    Sounds like the parents were pretty lax with their kid. I have no idea if the guns were locked or out in the open. He managed to get one either way. I am also thinking I wonder how afraid they were of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    That is one dedicated teacher doing her job making sure others were safe before seeking out help for herself. God bless her.
    Very true, and the the best to the Teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    Sounds like the parents were pretty lax with their kid. I have no idea if the guns were locked or out in the open. He managed to get one either way. I am also thinking I wonder how afraid they were of him.
    When the story was first reported, the mother whose gun it was said it had a gun lock on it and was hidden in a cupboard in her room. So she is either lying or he watched enough to memorise the combination. The latter is possible as he knew enough to hide the gun to begin with when they searched his bag.

    Quote Originally Posted by theotherlondon View Post
    Very true, and the the best to the Teacher.
    She seems to be doing well physically and got home. Mentally however...she was wounded in her hand and her chest yet still managed to escort about 20 students to safety before she got any help. It's gotta take it's toll and there is no surprise that there could be law suits in the future aimed at the parents and the teachers who were told about him but chose to do nothing.

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    I think she is lying bottom line. As for a lawsuit I think she should go after the school first, they ignored her concerns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansfield67 View Post
    I think she is lying bottom line. As for a lawsuit I think she should go after the school first, they ignored her concerns.
    She filed a $40m lawsuit on Monday against school officials saying it was gross neglience that they ignored several warning signs, especially since he had a history of violence prior to the attack. Whether she will sue the parents hasn't been mentioned yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shellc View Post
    She filed a $40m lawsuit on Monday against school officials saying it was gross neglience that they ignored several warning signs, especially since he had a history of violence prior to the attack. Whether she will sue the parents hasn't been mentioned yet.
    I have seen no official statement saying the kid has a form of mental illness, but no one seems to do anything when they do. We have had at least three murders where people were killed by those with mental issues. The problem is they were on the "catch and release" program. I'm sure they are being held now on murder charges but each had a list of priors a page long. Hence the catch and release. Many are thinking of protecting themselves at whatever cost. Problem with that is they become the "victim" and you end up being charged. Again, people are saying if the police or city officials will do nothing I am going to protect myself. Screw them.
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    The mother has been charged. Her name has been revealed and a grand jury have thrown felony child neglect at her as well as a misdemenor charge of recklessly leaving a firearm to harm a child so I guess they didn't believe the 'I had it locked away' story she and her lawyer claimed at the start.

    The prosecutors have also asked the grand jury to determine whether more charges should be filed regarding security issues that may have contributed to the shooting.

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