Edward Snowden

[endsleigh03]

..... has landed in Russia. Now what? http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...edward+snowden

[Seagorath]

Now what...

[endsleigh03]

Exactly. Now what? Update...asking for asylum in Ecuador.

[MagnusDippytack]

Snowdens's a dead man walking. When President Obama's minions get him, and they will, they will vacuum those thumb drives out of his ass and destroy him.
Snowden should not go to Cuba or Venezuela because those governments and President Obama are on the same team.

Phillip K. Dick. Denounced in his lifetime as a paranoid delusional. Read Through A Scanner Darkly.
He was right. So was Orwell.

There is a massive surveillance system in effect. Not just snooping on crooks, but everyone! Those with views different than President Obama are stunted in organizing with help from illegally gathered information from this system.

At the head of this unprecedented snooping system is Barack Hussein Obama, a self proclaimed defender of civil liberties. God help us all.

[Taggerez]

Snowdens's a dead man walking. When President Obama's minions get him, and they will, they will vacuum those thumb drives out of his ass and destroy him.
Snowden should not go to Cuba or Venezuela because those governments and President Obama are on the same team.

Phillip K. Dick. Denounced in his lifetime as a paranoid delusional. Read Through A Scanner Darkly.

He was right. So was Orwell.

There is a massive surveillance system in effect. Not just snooping on crooks, but everyone! Those with views different than President Obama are stunted in organizing with help from illegally gathered information from this system.

At the head of this unprecedented snooping system is Barack Hussein Obama, a self proclaimed defender of civil liberties. God help us all.

Citing Phillip K. Dick is appropriate.

Ironically for Snowden, to stay out of Obama's clutches he must parlay with America's enemies, who are themselves tyrannies. By exposing the U.S. government's secret spying on its own people, has essentially left himself no way out.

[endsleigh03]

What else do you think he's got to give away besides info on the surveillance.....

[Taggerez]

The American government, with all of its vaunted intelligence-gathering capacities - which is the core of the case against Snowden - cannot find the guy!

Sweet irony.

[Seagorath]

I've had my life tampered with by the U.S. governent. I'm not a terrorist, nor am I alligned with any of the U.S.A.'s enemies. I'm simply an American with a lot of free time...and therefore, they watch, study and tamper with various aspects of my life. I know that sounds far-fetched and crazy...but too many "coincidences" have happened. They are literally tracking EVERYBODY who doesn't live by the norm.

[endsleigh03]

Hopefully he knew exactly what the consequences would be and REALLY thought this out because he has just flushed his life down the toilet. There are no take-backs now.

[findadeathaddict]

Hopefully he knew exactly what the consequences would be and REALLY thought this out because he has just flushed his life down the toilet. There are no take-backs now.

I have a feeling he is regretting the hell out of it, no matter what he says.

[Paulination]

Hopefully he knew exactly what the consequences would be and REALLY thought this out because he has just flushed his life down the toilet. There are no take-backs now.

No doubt. His life is forever changed.

[SRVFan]

It's only a matter of time. One slip up and there will be a covert mission despite what the leaders of whatever country he is in tells the US what they can or can't do.

[Bidmor]

I still think the whole thing is a planned op. If Snowden was a real honest to goodness patriot planning to go public with info that the NSA/CIA did not want us to know, we would have never heard of him. He would have taken care of before he could open his mouth.

[findadeathaddict]

I still think the whole thing is a planned op. If Snowden was a real honest to goodness patriot planning to go public with info that the NSA/CIA did not want us to know, we would have never heard of him. He would have taken care of before he could open his mouth.

Very good point.

[neilmpenny]

No doubt. His life is forever changed.

No........ his life is fucked.

Caught in limbo between the customs entry point, and the departure lounge, he has nowhere to go. He will be horse traded to the highest bidder and spend any useful years he has left in jail.

Game over.

[john*thomas]

I still think the whole thing is a planned op. If Snowden was a real honest to goodness patriot planning to go public with info that the NSA/CIA did not want us to know, we would have never heard of him. He would have taken care of before he could open his mouth.

You are assuming that the government is that competent.

[john*thomas]

No........ his life is fucked.

Caught in limbo between the customs entry point, and the departure lounge, he has nowhere to go. He will be horse traded to the highest bidder and spend any useful years he has left in jail.

Game over.

The ACLU and other groups and individual will have this case before the SCOTUS in record time. It's going to be expedited. When the court rules these actions unconstitutional the government is basically left with charging him with shoplifting.

There will be a new administration that can claim they were not responsible and he will come home.

[Bidmor]

You are assuming that the government is that competent.

Oh the federal agencies involved are very much competent. Thoroughly corrupt and criminal but competent.

I'm thinking Snowden is a useful idiot for the spooks. He was given the info knowing pretty much what he would do.

Why? To serve notice on US citizens that we are being watched and listened to and not to question executive authority, and that Congress is now powerless. This ties in with the IRS revelations. Also these propaganda ops help push Bengahzi further down the headline list now that Obama's gun running program aka Fast And Furious is all but forgotten.

Snowden will eventually vanish or we'll be told he offed himself etc, now that he's served his purpose.

[john*thomas]

Oh the federal agencies involved are very much competent. Thoroughly corrupt and criminal but competent.

I'm thinking Snowden is a useful idiot for the spooks. He was given the info knowing pretty much what he would do.

Why? To serve notice on US citizens that we are being watched and listened to and not to question executive authority, and that Congress is now powerless. This ties in with the IRS revelations. Also these propaganda ops help push Bengahzi further down the headline list now that Obama's gun running program aka Fast And Furious is all but forgotten.

Snowden will eventually vanish or we'll be told he offed himself etc, now that he's served his purpose.

We were told to shut up and stay out of politics with McCain/Feingold but the courts rejected that argument. If the idea is to control us the best way to do that is not provide the evidence for the courts to put a stop to it.

[Bidmor]

If the idea is to control us the best way to do that is not provide the evidence for the courts to put a stop to it.

This would be true if the federal courts could put a stop to it, but they don't now. The SCOTUS is now mostly a rubber stamp for the Bush/Obama regimes. For all intents and purposes, all federal power now resides in the executive branch and it's agencies.

[Forever-27]

Anybody that gets called a traitor by Obama and or John Kerry I call a national hero. Go Snowden Go ! If our government catches up with him they'll kill him. I rarely if ever call democrats heros, but snowden is one. Blowing the lid off the biggest spying operation targetting common citizens.

[ichabodius]

Bolivian presidents plane denied airspace forced to land and searched by Austriian officials in beleif that Snowden was on board:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...sputed-minute/
http://boingboing.net/2013/07/03/bol...-plane-di.html

[endsleigh03]

This is like a movie. Probably will be one.

[Seagorath]

Snowden will live to write the big book...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/11/world/...iref=allsearch

[Seagorath]

Snowden...asylum offers...top story on CNN...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/05/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

[Bidmor]

Rather than start a new thread, I post this here.

Government’s “Secret Interpretation” of Patriot Act: “EVERYTHING” Is Relevant … So Spy on EVERYONE

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...-everyone.html

[Elixson]

Anybody that gets called a traitor by Obama and or John Kerry I call a national hero. Go Snowden Go ! If our government catches up with him they'll kill him. I rarely if ever call democrats heros, but snowden is one. Blowing the lid off the biggest spying operation targetting common citizens.

Snowden is a libertarian, Obama is a tyrant.

[Bidmor]

Snowden is a libertarian, Obama is a tyrant.

I'm not sure about Snowden...I still lean toward his "whistleblowing" being a planned op by NSA/CIA et al, the point of the op is to officially serve notice to the general populace that we are being monitored daily so everybody knows not to step out of line, specifically do not question the federal government's policy/story on whatever.

No doubt, Obama is a tyrant. However he has taken Bush's Patriot Act and ran with it, exactly as the banksters planned after 9/11. Remember how quickly the voluminous bill was presented to Congress without giving any of them time to read it? Does that trick sound familiar?

[Bidmor]

"The government is spying on ALL Americans' digital and old fashioned communications."

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...-is-wrong.html

[shipmatekate]

"The government is spying on ALL Americans' digital and old fashioned communications."

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...-is-wrong.html

It's not like this new, remember Bushie and his warrantless wiretaps?
Why weren't people shrieking like little girls then?

[Enoch Powell]

It's not like this new, remember Bushie and his warrantless wiretaps?
Why weren't people shrieking like little girls then?

Yeah, nobody jumped Bush, noooooooobody. But look now, it's your savior, the one who was going to bring hope and change all he's brought are lies, spies and drone attacks!

How does it feel to be conned?

[shipmatekate]

Yeah, nobody jumped Bush, noooooooobody. But look now, it's your savior, the one who was going to bring hope and change all he's brought are lies, spies and drone attacks!

How does it feel to be conned?

Welcome to the ignore list

[jerryvr]

It's not like this new, remember Bushie and his warrantless wiretaps?
Why weren't people shrieking like little girls then?

Didn't SENATOR Obama had a very strong opinion against the patriot act? If you try to look past the glamourboy's smile, it's just another socialist asshole...

[shipmatekate]

Didn't SENATOR Obama had a very strong opinion against the patriot act? If you try to look past the glamourboy's smile, it's just another socialist asshole...

Still waiting for an answer

[Stu Pidasso]

Welcome to the ignore list

Hey, put me on your ignore list too, since I am also intelligent and know what the fuck I'm talking about.

[endsleigh03]

Still waiting for an answer

Remember Sybil?

[shipmatekate]

Remember Sybil?

Yep, she/he seems alive and not well

[Enoch Powell]

Yep, she/he seems alive and not well

Nice to meet you, Sybil.

[endsleigh03]

LoL

[Bidmor]

It's not like this new, remember Bushie and his warrantless wiretaps?
Why weren't people shrieking like little girls then?

It's news because it's in the news now. Sonny Boy Bush's rushed-through Patriot Act, again a huge piece of legislation which magically appeared a few days after 9/11 and was shoved through Congress...no time to read it, just vote for it...laid the ground work for a formal police state. Back then I likened it to Hitler's Empowerment Act. Besides unconstitutional wiretaps, Patriot Act was permission for Bush and future presidents to go to war with other nations without Congressional authorization.

But by the Snowden op, we've been officially notified that we are being observed and any citizen can be unilaterally declared an enemy combatant via the increasingly authoritarian annual National Defense & Authorization Act (NDAA) which Bush and Obama always signed. All these "revelations" about domestic spying cats are being let out of the bag now, basically according to schedule. It just so happens Obama is the employee occupying the WH now.

There's no difference between the Democratic and Republican parties...just two heads of the same snake fed and trained by people such as the Bilderbergers et al.

[john*thomas]

It's not like this new, remember Bushie and his warrantless wiretaps?
Why weren't people shrieking like little girls then?

People were upset. First off the government insisted right up until Snowden released his information that they were not spying on us. While many suspected they were lying there was nothing one could do without proof. There is no doubt that Obama has expanded the spying at that.

Bush argued that he could throw American citizens in prison and not give them their due process rights. You might have forgot about this but he was sued over this argument. He did end up backing off but Obama has argued he can kill citizens without giving them any due process rights.

Both will go down in history right alongside Nixon.

[Bidmor]

I think this post is very relevant to this thread.

An amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on American audiences is being inserted into the latest defense authorization bill, BuzzFeed has learned.

The "latest defense authorization bill" refers to the annual National Defense and Authorization Act (NDAA) I believe. Now our so called peoples' representatives are pushing to disclose to the American public that what we read, hear, and see in all forms of media could very well be government propaganda in whole or in part.

Return to 1984.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/co...propaganda-ban

[endsleigh03]

I keep trying to find out if he has something damaging to us as americans because he keeps saying he has more but not what it is of course. Any guess beyond the spying thing? Is it anything that could damage our security or anything?

[ichabodius]

Heres the difference between Bushs and Obamas surveillance of Americans:



Also

"Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had,"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96C08Q20130713

[Bidmor]

The House narrowly rejected a halt to NSA spying. The vote was 217 - 205. It was a rather interesting mix of groups on either side.

Backing the NSA spying were 134 Republicans and 83 Democrats, including John Boehner.

Voting to restrain NSA spying were 94 Republicans and 111 Democrats.

http://news.yahoo.com/house-narrowly...232422955.html

[MirrorDimly]

The "latest defense authorization bill" refers to the annual National Defense and Authorization Act (NDAA) I believe. Now our so called peoples' representatives are pushing to disclose to the American public that what we read, hear, and see in all forms of media could very well be government propaganda in whole or in part.

Yep. With all the crap that senators are trying to push into the NDAA, it'll be a wonder what makes it through to the House (and will then get killed at that point). It's a miraculous mystery that anything ever goes forward in Washington.
The Senators and Congresspeople are only a few blocks and hot-dog trucks away from the U.S. Holocaust Museum and its exhibit on the Third Reich's use of propaganda:
http://www.ushmm.org/propaganda/

Heard a clip on BBC World News wherein Snowden's attorney says Snowden is going to be studying Russian literature and culture. When the press asked what he's learned thus far, the attorney replied that Snowden is able to say "hello" and "goodbye" in Russian.

[ichabodius]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booz_Allen_Hamilton

[cleanskull]

I bet who ever listens to my shit has already hung themselves out of boredom, in their cubicle.

[john*thomas]

Germany awards Snowden a whisteblower award.

http://rt.com/news/snowden-prize-whi...r-germany-255/

[Bidmor]

More fallout from the Snowden revelations, kinda gone unnoticed with Syria as a good distraction...

The reports make clear that the NSA and its British counterpart Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), have been methodically undermining the vast encryption-based "web of trust" that makes possible secure online financial transactions, communications and other sensitive transmissions.

These new reports claim that the NSA and its British counterpart GCHQ have always had backdoors into all SSL connections for online purchasing, banking, etc. So if they've that access to see, that means they can also alter or steal your credit card info, clean out your bank account...anything.

In other words, standard secure encrypted info ain't.

http://news.yahoo.com/why-latest-nsa-leak-scariest-185052778.html

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-spy-agencies-hit-latest-snowden-revelations-154330564.html