Former President Donald Trump

[McCourt]

The past I'm more worried about Hid is the past several months where scores of women have been assaulted by men who seek asylum in Europe. They've been having to give out leaflets and have meetings where they try and teach men that women are not there for the taking and that they're not allowed to just do anything they want to them. One guy in a pool attacked and raped a child and said it was an emergency because he needed sex.

[hisandhearse]

Coconn04, I hope that I didn't offend you by saying I thought he was a moron. I think we all get carried away when we talk about politics.

Maxter, there is some sort of internet law that, given enough time talking about ANY subject, eventuality someone will bring up Hitler. I used to notice that in AOL chat rooms, sooner or later, Hitler would be mentioned. It's not a good thing, it's more like an alarm clock that tells your the conversation has degenerated beyond all hope!

I don't think anyone is trying to trivialize the suffering of Hitler's victims by comparing the documented views of Trump and Hitler, it's just a scary comparison. People are supposed to remember the past, so that the past will not be repeated.

Hi Hidium, Very well said. )

[Maxster]

Maxter, there is some sort of internet law that, given enough time talking about ANY subject, eventuality someone will bring up Hitler. I used to notice that in AOL chat rooms, sooner or later, Hitler would be mentioned. It's not a good thing, it's more like an alarm clock that tells your the conversation has degenerated beyond all hope!

It's called Godwin's Law, and its progenitor, Mike Godwin, has taken people to task for their spurious comparisons of Trump to Hitler.

I don't think anyone is trying to trivialize the suffering of Hitler's victims by comparing the documented views of Trump and Hitler, it's just a scary comparison.

Regardless of their intent, that's what they're doing. As Mike Godwin suggested, they might take the time to learn about Nazi genocide and the Holocaust before they sound off.

[cindyt]

It's called Godwin's Law, and its progenitor, Mike Godwin, has taken people to task for their spurious comparisons of Trump to Hitler.


Regardless of their intent, that's what they're doing. As Mike Godwin suggested, they might take the time to learn about Nazi genocide and the Holocaust before they sound off.

Exactly. I cringe every time someone is compared to Hitler.

[shipmatekate]

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Exactly. I cringe every time someone is compared to Hitler.

Even when well deserved like Donald?

[cindyt]

Even when well deserved like Donald?

He hasn't committed genocide.

[shipmatekate]

He hasn't committed genocide.

Yet

[hisandhearse]

Yet

*perhaps*

[Upset]

They're too simple minded to come up with anything original.

Yes, as opposed to the rocket scientists and brain surgeons who are supporting Trump.

While it's true that Trump has not committed genocide, the point is that there was a time when this was also true of Hitler. The instructive comparison would be with Hitler when he rose to power, not the Final Solution guy. A number of similarities have been noted. It's hardly "OMG this guy's just like Hitler!"

[hisandhearse]

Yes, as opposed to the rocket scientists and brain surgeons who are supporting Trump.

While it's true that Trump has not committed genocide, the point is that there was a time when this was also true of Hitler. The instructive comparison would be with Hitler when he rose to power, not the Final Solution guy. A number of similarities have been noted. It's hardly "OMG this guy's just like Hitler!"

IMO The similarities are a bit eerie, whether benign or other wise.

[cindyt]

Yes, as opposed to the rocket scientists and brain surgeons who are supporting Trump.

While it's true that Trump has not committed genocide, the point is that there was a time when this was also true of Hitler. The instructive comparison would be with Hitler when he rose to power, not the Final Solution guy. A number of similarities have been noted. It's hardly "OMG this guy's just like Hitler!"

I agree with you on that. At any rate, I don't care for Trump and never have, but I have a thing about someone being accused of something they haven't done.

[PiggyTx]

I don't like Trump. He can suck my left flap. But then again, I don't like Billary either. Like someone posted earlier, it sucks, there is no one to vote for, you have to vote for the least evil. that sucks!

[hisandhearse]

I don't like Trump. He can suck my left flap. But then again, I don't like Billary either. Like someone posted earlier, it sucks, there is no one to vote for, you have to vote for the least evil. that sucks!

It may be futile, But we are holding onto hope/miracles for Bernie-

[Paulination]

It may be futile, But we are holding onto hope/miracles for Bernie-

If Bernie wins we are all in the poor house. 1 trillion dollars worth of entitlements and the only plan to pay for them is to over tax the rich. Socialism is a wonderful thing except that it is inevitable that you will run out of other peoples money. At that point you will have developed a population so dependent on hand outs that the whole thing will collapse. There is no such thing as a free lunch and if you are getting one, get ready to starve.

[Hidium]

Godwin's Law... Thanks Maxter, I was going to try and find that today.

LOL Piggy... 'suck my left flap' is one of the best line I've heard in a long time!

Upset, I've saved your web-site to read later.

This happens every four years... we get mad at the candidates, angry at their views, appalled at their platforms, but I know that we are all grateful that we have the privilege of voting!

[Forever-27]

Actually it is being repeated, ISIS is doing geneside against Christians as we speak, yet the democrat state controlled media is quiet about it.


Obama is to busy playing golf to care. Trump says he will erase ISIS off the planet when he becomes president.

[Nessa]

Actually it is being repeated, ISIS is doing geneside against Christians as we speak, yet the democrat state controlled media is quiet about it.


Obama is to busy playing golf to care. Trump says he will erase ISIS off the planet when he becomes president.

ISIS is pretty much killing anyone who gets in their way or opposes them. I'm unconvinced that dropping tons of bombs (or starting another war) will cut the heads off of that hydra. I think it will have to be a combination of deradicalization (impossible without help from Middle Eastern governments and religious leaders), ripping the financial rug out from under them, and some military action. I think the idea some people have of just bombing the place into a parking lot would backfire horribly, and only create more support for ISIS. That's why Trump's opinions on torture scare me. He's playing into their hands.

You guys remember moderates and bipartisanship? Back in the day? That was fun. We should go back to that. *gulp*

[coconn04]

Coconn04, I hope that I didn't offend you by saying I thought he was a moron. I think we all get carried away when we talk about politics.

Maxter, there is some sort of internet law that, given enough time talking about ANY subject, eventuality someone will bring up Hitler. I used to notice that in AOL chat rooms, sooner or later, Hitler would be mentioned. It's not a good thing, it's more like an alarm clock that tells your the conversation has degenerated beyond all hope!

I don't think anyone is trying to trivialize the suffering of Hitler's victims by comparing the documented views of Trump and Hitler, it's just a scary comparison. People are supposed to remember the past, so that the past will not be repeated.

I think some people get carried away with mantras. I see the same thing over and over. The PowerPoint presentation will get I give will get ignored. The small towns is this country can not afford the type of corruption some illegals bring in. Show me how you can compare this to the holacaust.

[Maxster]

The instructive comparison would be with Hitler when he rose to power, not the Final Solution guy.

He came to power only with the assistance of a huge, well-organized private army called the Sturmbabteilung (SA or Brownshirts). Note how everyone in a photo of a 1920s Nazi rally or meeting is in uniform. That's a BIG difference.

It's a myth that the Nazis came to power through skillful propaganda.

A number of similarities have been noted. It's hardly "OMG this guy's just like Hitler!"

They're superficial similarities, and they were shared by many Western governments in the 1930s. For example, the U.S. of the Thirties had Jim Crow segregation, eugenics, and immigration laws that excluded various ethnic groups, yet it would be foolish to try and paint Franklin Roosevelt as a National Socialist.

Trump is a puerile, bombastic demagogue, but trying to tar him as a Nazi exudes unutterable ignorance as to the core essence of the NSDAP philosophy.

[Nessa]

I'm of the opinion that pretty much the only person that can compare to Hitler is Hitler.

[cindyt]

I'm of the opinion that pretty much the only person that can compare to Hitler is Hitler.

This

[JimC]

I don't know - Pol Pot, Idi Amin and Stalin come to mind.

Smaller scale, less well documented; just as evil though I think.

But maybe I misjudge my despots.

[Hidium]

It is up to voters to think for themselves and decide if a comparison is valid. The words of Trump and Hitler are based on what Trump does say and what Hitler historically did say. Nobody is making up Trump's views for him, nor have they made up what they learned in history class about what Hitler used to say.

Donald's stated views and Hitler's stated views (which are from actual history) are on public record, for anyone to see or read. Unless you think that every single thing Hitler said in German has been repeatedly translated incorrectly by every single person who has done the translating, in some massive conspiracy - history books are reporting correctly what Hitler said. Mr. Trump has several things he likes to say during his stump speeches, which he repeats at every rally so the public will know what his views are and can compare him to other candidates. Nobody is forcing him to say what he says. Hitler did the same thing at his rallies , so that people knew where he stood on his world views on race and nationalism.

So, the news is not making up the comparisons. They are reporting what he says, so people can make their own comparisons. Trump repeatedly says certain things, if we take him at his word, he is saying exactly what he means. History books in the future (If we have a future, and if that future allows books) will have the things he says reported as historical fact.

[Upset]

He came to power only with the assistance of a huge, well-organized private army called the Sturmbabteilung (SA or Brownshirts). Note how everyone in a photo of a 1920s Nazi rally or meeting is in uniform. That's a BIG difference.

It's a myth that the Nazis came to power through skillful propaganda.


They're superficial similarities, and they were shared by many Western governments in the 1930s. For example, the U.S. of the Thirties had Jim Crow segregation, eugenics, and immigration laws that excluded various ethnic groups, yet it would be foolish to try and paint Franklin Roosevelt as a National Socialist.

Trump is a puerile, bombastic demagogue, but trying to tar him as a Nazi exudes unutterable ignorance as to the core essence of the NSDAP philosophy.

"Unutterable ignorance"? LOL

You do make a good point, which is that Hitler's rhetoric (which you're completely right about, it had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with his rise to power) should be seen as the product of a less enlightened, more bigoted time, without the benefit of 8+ additional decades of human progress.

So thank you for helping me clarify my thinking:

Donald Trump is WORSE than Hitler.

[Paulination]

It is up to voters to think for themselves and decide if a comparison is valid. The words of Trump and Hitler are based on what Trump does say and what Hitler historically did say. Nobody is making up Trump's views for him, nor have they made up what they learned in history class about what Hitler used to say.

There is no comparison. The political establishment and the media are so desperate to knock Trump off that they will say anything at this point. They are hoping Americans are naive enough to just go with it.

[McCourt]

There is no comparison. The political establishment and the media are so desperate to knock Trump off that they will say anything at this point. They are hoping Americans are naive enough to just go with it.

Of course Americans are naïve enough. Obama was elected twice.

[Nessa]

I don't know - Pol Pot, Idi Amin and Stalin come to mind.

Smaller scale, less well documented; just as evil though I think.

But maybe I misjudge my despots.

Funny you said that, I was actually going to include Pol Pot and Amin in my post! I agree they're just as bad, albeit on not as quite as grand of a scale. I didn't include them because I thought, once you reach the point of genocide, can you really rate it? Each one is different yet all come are cut from the same general cloth. Just different goals or ideologies, I guess.

[JimC]

Funny you said that, I was actually going to include Pol Pot and Amin in my post! I agree they're just as bad, albeit on not as quite as grand of a scale. I didn't include them because I thought, once you reach the point of genocide, can you really rate it? Each one is different yet all come are cut from the same general cloth. Just different goals or ideologies, I guess.

Same cloth indeed.

Their atrocities might have been greater if they hadn't lacked the Nordic capacity for scale and efficiency; and the means of course.

Thanks - for a moment there I thought maybe I was being a bit too harsh on the lesser tyrants.

I don't think it's off the mark to compare Trump's comments to those of Hitler; but I'm sure that's the end of the similarity. It's all about persuasion - most politicians, some religious leaders and even motivational speakers; just to name a few examples; use the same tactics but with different words or themes.

The tactics used IMO say less about the persuader than those whom they persuade.

[Hidium]

The American people, including me, will decide in November. We get so passionate about politics, it's like being at a family dinner when everyone gets crazy... Doesn't mean we don't care about each other.

One thing about the Nazis, they really knew how to use graphic design to their advantage, and had the best uniforms. I usually get in trouble for saying that, but I just mean that the red, black and white uniforms really were impressive and frightening.

[JimC]

One thing about the Nazis, they really knew how to use graphic design to their advantage, and had the best uniforms. I usually get in trouble for saying that, but I just mean that the red, black and white uniforms really were impressive and frightening.

Yeah - one of my favorite authors - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. - remarked that World War Two movies would always be popular because the Nazis had such cool looking uniforms.
Trump won his primary in my state yesterday - I can't for the life of me figure out the appeal; of course, I still say that about Obama too.

[Hidium]

I decided to take this out because, honestly, it doesn't matter. I don't want to alienate anyone here. I'll just leave it at this. I won't be voting for Donald Trump.

I heard that America bombed a terrorist training camp in Somalia, killing 150 terrorists. I'm sure we can all agree that getting rid of a big group of terrorists is a good thing. They were getting ready to target us or our allies, so thanks to the military and the commander in chief for that victory.

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I was going to put some Hitler/Trump comparisons, but Hitler was so much more articulate it was embarrassing. Plus, why should I do a term paper?

OMG - Just when you think the bottom of the Trump barrel has been scraped, there is a new bottom of the barrel.

Jim C. - I Love the books of Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

[Upset]

This is the guy some people want as our next President:

http://winningdemocrats.com/rachel-m...-forget-video/

[shipmatekate]

This is the guy some people want as our next President:

http://winningdemocrats.com/rachel-m...-forget-video/

Yep, proves that ther right is effing stoopid

then there is this

http://www.rickey.org/donald-trump-i...ection/292158/

Effing right wing cunts

[Maxster]

So thank you for helping me clarify my thinking:

Donald Trump is WORSE than Hitler.

Stating Trump is worse than Hitler trivializes the suffering of Hitler's victims. And that's my last word on the subject.

[Upset]

Stating Trump is worse than Hitler trivializes the suffering of Hitler's victims. And that's my last word on the subject.

Not at all. In context, I am obviously talking about Trump in 2016 versus Hitler in 1933. It's true that Trump has not accomplished anything truly evil yet, and my hope is that a decade from now he will have completely faded from the public consciousness, and that a "later Trump vs. later Hitler" comparison will be totally meaningless. But I am sorry to say that remains to be seen.

[Hidium]

I'll just do what I do most of the time in here... I write a long paragraph stating my views, then hitting the cancel button instead of the post button. I'll go to the polls in November and vote. I care about all of you, it's not worth it. I won't change anyone's mind nor will Trump supporters change my mind. Besides a lot of my posts seem to mysteriously disappear, so why bother.

[cindyt]

I'll just do what I do most of the time in here... I write a long paragraph stating my views, then hitting the cancel button instead of the post button. I'll go to the polls in November and vote. I care about all of you, it's not worth it. I won't change anyone's mind nor will Trump supporters change my mind. Besides a lot of my posts seem to mysteriously disappear, so why bother.

Hidium, if you are hinting that the staff make your post disappear for any reason, you have no worries there. Except for particularly nasty troll comments, we do not delete even those posts that break the rules. Everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter what their political view or what have you.

[JimC]

Not at all. In context, I am obviously talking about Trump in 2016 versus Hitler in 1933. It's true that Trump has not accomplished anything truly evil yet, and my hope is that a decade from now he will have completely faded from the public consciousness, and that a "later Trump vs. later Hitler" comparison will be totally meaningless. But I am sorry to say that remains to be seen.

Interesting perspective. When I was a kid we had a very old set of encyclopedias. There was an entry about Hitler that basically said that he was the new, progressive leader of Germany; and went on to list a lot of his attributes that were considered positive.

[Paulination]

Boy you guys are linking some fringe articles out there. You know what they say, look hard enough and you will always find something, or someone to back your opinion. I heard some Bernie supporter speaking to the media about how Trump encourages violence against blacks, muslims, women and mexicans. This guy believes this because of who he is listening to and what he is reading (none of which is Trump). You want to know what Trump believes....try listening to him. Only way to the truth.

[cindyt]

Boy you guys are linking some fringe articles out there. You know what they say, look hard enough and you will always find something, or someone to back your opinion. I heard some Bernie supporter speaking to the media about how Trump encourages violence against blacks, muslims, women and mexicans. This guy believes this because of who he is listening to and what he is reading (none of which is Trump). You want to know what Trump believes....try listening to him. Only way to the truth.

Exactly. My problem is I can't listen to him, and, from experience, lots of news videos are not CC, and I do not trust CC operators when it comes to videos. Seriously. So all I know is what I read and I of course do not believe everything that is said on forums and media sites. But this weekend, for the heck of it, I went looking and landed on On the Issues: Every Political Leader on Every Issue. It listed every runner and his or her opinion on every major issue and what wing they are. Both had some good points, but I would never vote for either one. Don't care for Hillary's pro late-term abortion stance, and as for Trump, he leans too far right for my taste.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

[Upset]

Boy you guys are linking some fringe articles out there. You know what they say, look hard enough and you will always find something, or someone to back your opinion. I heard some Bernie supporter speaking to the media about how Trump encourages violence against blacks, muslims, women and mexicans. This guy believes this because of who he is listening to and what he is reading (none of which is Trump). You want to know what Trump believes....try listening to him. Only way to the truth.

The Rachel Maddow piece I linked was mostly video of Trump himself speaking. I would say that based on what I have seen the FADers who are attacking Trump are quite familiar with his rhetoric. I certainly am.

[shipmatekate]

The Rachel Maddow piece I linked was mostly video of Trump himself speaking. I would say that based on what I have seen the FADers who are attacking Trump are quite familiar with his rhetoric. I certainly am.

Those who cannot see the truth can't be forced to acknowledge it
And THIS IS HATE SPEECH AND LOW CLASS

Seriously low to no class. I wonder what our grandparents would think of this foul mouthed bag of hot air?

Every single Republican should be ASHAMED and doing something to stop this.

Unfortunately they are sheeple who NEVER think for themselves

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-kent-state/

[McCourt]

those who cannot see the truth can't be forced to acknowledge it
and this is hate speech and low class

seriously low to no class. I wonder what our grandparents would think of this foul mouthed bag of hot air?

Every single republican should be ashamed and doing something to stop this.

Unfortunately they are sheeple who never think for themselves

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-kent-state/

hahahahahahahahahaah

[Paulination]

Unfortunately they are sheeple who NEVER think for themselves

The sheeple are the ones that go along with whatever the establishment says to. Trump is the opposite of that.

[shipmatekate]

The sheeple are the ones that go along with whatever the establishment says to. Trump is the opposite of that.

\Trump is the establishment

Fucks sake

[shipmatekate]

hahahahahahahahahaah

Glad you find killing humorous
Hopefully you will laugh twice as hard when someone takes Trump out
And it will happen

[McCourt]

Glad you find killing humorous
Hopefully you will laugh twice as hard when someone takes Trump out
And it will happen

Yep. Sure.

[cindyt]

Kate, combine those two posts. You know the drill.

[JimC]

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Jim C. - I Love the books of Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

I've got them all.

Mr. Vonnegut was also a great Humanist. I doubt that can be said about Trump or Hillary.

[TheDude]

I think the South Park guys pretty much summed up how I feel about politicians and elections in general