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    I vote we start giving history lessons via twitter, seeing as clearly there are none to be had in school
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    Lol, who would have saw that coming?

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    Unfuckingbelievable. Wonder what they'll say when they find out the Earth is round?
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    The Titanic and Marilyn Monroe
    The Trianon-styled Astor Casino was finally completed in 1904, and two years later its architect, Stanford White, was murdered in the roof garden restaurant he had designed atop Madison Square Garden. The killer was Harry K. Thaw, the eccentric heir to a Pittsburgh fortune who had married one of White’s former conquests, the kittenish model and showgirl Evelyn Nesbit. (The last man Thaw spoke to before pumping three bullets into White’s brain, incidentally, was the architect’s brother-in-law James Clinch Smith, who would later become one of the Titanic’s victims.) At the murder trial, dubbed the “Trial of the Century,” Smith was a key witness but was overshadowed by Nesbit, who testified that White had drugged and deflowered her at 16. She also described the rooms in White’s secret hideaway, including one with a red velvet swing on which she would sail up to kick at Japanese paper parasols. In the 1955 movie based on the crime, entitled “The Girl in the Red Velvet Swing,” Marilyn Monroe was supposed to play Evelyn Nesbit, but the part eventually went to the young Joan Collins. (The 72-year-old Nesbit, an advisor on the film, later wrote that Collins was “too bosomy” to play her.)

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    The latest National Geographic has an excellent article on it's fate.
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    My hubby took me to see the exhibit here in Vegas. Very interesting and very sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radiojane View Post
    I vote we start giving history lessons via twitter, seeing as clearly there are none to be had in school
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    ATTENTION! Update: Titanic comes on at 8pm EST tonight instead of 9pm, and at 9pm tomorrow night.

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    Sadly, so much for Women and Children first.

    Nothing has changed in a hundred years.

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    Officials say human remains may be at Titanic shipwreck site

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/15...#ixzz1s7LKbZQM

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    Man who found it says the search for Titanic was just a cover story by the Navy. Interesting

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    RIP Titanic, 100 years today.

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    Such a love story....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMysterian View Post
    Officials say human remains may be at Titanic shipwreck site

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/15...#ixzz1s7LKbZQM
    The pic below and speculation about whether there are any human remains in it have been bandied about ever since it was taken in 2004. It's from the same set as the one in the article. Personally, I don't think there are human remains under the coat in the pic. I think it's resting on a rock or another object. (Click on the image to see it full size.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMysterian View Post
    Officials say human remains may be at Titanic shipwreck site



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/15...#ixzz1s7LKbZQM

    yeah thats pretty much what happens when the body has not been discovered. I think fish & other creatures would have eaten away at the remains anyway....

    Can human bones still be intact 100 years after being in frozen water?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMysterian View Post
    Officials say human remains may be at Titanic shipwreck site



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/15...#ixzz1s7LKbZQM

    This is absolutely ludicris. ABC radio news is saying this too. Its been 100 years .... and underwater even. The people were fish food , plus I think the salt water speeds up the decay of dead flesh. The people still trapped on the ship when it sank literally exploded from the extream preasure of water that deep. I seriously doubt if theres anybody remains from the wreck still anywhere down there.
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    http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news...itanic-tragedy I didn't know the steersman made a wrong turn!!!!

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    i've always felt about Titanic the same way I feel about space...leave. it. alone.

    hard to imagine it's been 100 years since it sank..

    and for those idiots on twitter...that's one more reason why I'm home schooling my kids in history!
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    Titanic has always amazed me. Could you imagine being on there and hearing all those loud groaning noises from the ship filling up with water? And the thoughts of being sucked into the water by the ship going down? Gives me chills...freaky.

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    So why wouldn't White Star Line be held legally responsible then? The only way they would is if chairman, Bruce Ismay had conducted the crew that night, the way he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever-27 View Post
    This is absolutely ludicris. ABC radio news is saying this too. Its been 100 years .... and underwater even.
    The scientist quoted is an expert on the subject, giving the claim some merit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyt View Post
    So why wouldn't White Star Line be held legally responsible then? The only way they would is if chairman, Bruce Ismay had conducted the crew that night, the way he did.
    This 2010 Telegraph story linked from the story you posted the link to answers your question, and I had heard about the circumstances a few years ago whilst reading up on Titanic. Louise Patten's grandfather was a Titanic crew survivor. He (and others) lied during the inquests due to a code of honor that existed in those days amongst sailors and due to pressure from Ismay. The pertinent paragraph is about three-quarters into the article:
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    A 2004 photo has been re-released to the press. The photo, now uncropped, shows a pair of boots and a coat buried in the muck and speculation is whether or not it's human remains:
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/titanic-photo-shows-evidence-human-remains-182105169.html

    Click on word links in the story for two other photos of the same area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever-27 View Post
    This is absolutely ludicris. ABC radio news is saying this too. Its been 100 years .... and underwater even. The people were fish food , plus I think the salt water speeds up the decay of dead flesh. The people still trapped on the ship when it sank literally exploded from the extream preasure of water that deep. I seriously doubt if theres anybody remains from the wreck still anywhere down there.
    Back when Bob Ballard, of Woods Hole, took the first photos of the Titanic in the 80's he stated that same thing, that there wouldn't be remains due to the variables in the ocean, tides, animal consumption, decomp etc.... When he first started releasing photos, the press seemed to focus on remains. Those were the main quetions they asked him. Initially he refused to discuss it, then he stated what he did about why there wouldn't be any remains.
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    I'm not saying that at one time, yes a person wore thoes boots, and died in them. However the preasure of water that deep would crush a persons skull shattering it , squeeze the rib cage to the point of shattering it also. And this would all happpen before the person hit bottom. However it may be possible that bones of the dead would still be aboard the ship itself. The people who couldn't get out of locked rooms, who couldn't get past locked gates who were inside the ship when it took the big plunge into the black abyss. Salt , darkness and cold preserve these things remarkably well. I've never seen any pics from the inside of the cabins. I'm sure they'd edit anything that could be taken for bones anyways. There was one where a girls doll is laying on the Prominade deck. Ballard said it freaked him out , he first thought it was a person, but it was only a doll.

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    What you said about not seeing the inside of the cabins got me to looking F-27, because I don't recall seeing any either. So far I've found this. Not quite what we're looking for but getting warmer (if public pics exist online): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-1st-time.html
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    Well what would be left of the cabins that is. Once the ship snapped in half the bow sank almost instantly. Both the stern and bow sank in a spirow fashion ... at an angle. Images created by computer using todays knowledge and what the speed would have been once either end sank below the surface. Both halves were heavy, so they sank fast to the ocean floor. As the speeded downward bits and pieces of the boat were snapping off. A panel here, a panel over there, a wall section way over and so on. Both halves hit the bottom at a very fast speed. Anyways there may not be much of the cabins left once the boat slammed into the bottom. Still its possible, I did see a pic of the big crystal chandeler above the main staircase ..... still hanging, with a piece of seaweed caught in it

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    Yeah, I remember the chandelier pic.

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    I was watching a program yesterday here in Canada on the CBC and they were talking about a coal fire that was out of control for the entire trip up until it sunk? And that when they reached New York they were going to have to bring on firefighters to help put the thing out?

    Am I the only one who had never heard of this?

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    Regarding the "human remains" photo, I think the discussion amongst historians and archeologists is whether or not the clothes are remains of remains, if you will...that a corpse came to rest at that spot and all that remains are clothing...or did the coat and boots happen to end up positioned as they are, drifting down from different directions, or if the coat and shoes were even inhabited at the time of the sinking. It's assumed that all human tissue and bones were consumed within a relatively short span of time after the sinking.

    As to cabin appointments, I recall watching a Titanic special a couple or so years ago...video from the small robots sneaking inside A deck cabins and seeing a sitting room heater mantle relatively intact with the mantle clock still mounted on top. Also some stills of the wireless room with a lot of the telegraph equipment still mounted to the wall.
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    The remains of remains thing is how I took it too initially. It's as if what the scientists said had been misinterpreted by the public at large and people pretty much took the wrong ball and ran in the wrong direction because of it. That's understandable though because there has been such a public fascination with the Titanic.

    I wonder if any of the passengers' relatives have been able to claim any of the salvaged articles using old pictures maybe as documentation that items were once owned by their relatives? It would be nice if they were.

    My husband is a serious genealogist and he has family photos from that time period. So I'm thinking they're not as uncommon as people once thought. And people in a family share these photos on ancestry.com for instance. Photos someone might have that no one even realize existed show up there from time to time as new family members are linked and come across their tree. It would be nice if something like that could be used to help descendents get their relatives' things back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWrath of MadelineKahn View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeChick View Post
    The pic below and speculation about whether there are any human remains in it have been bandied about ever since it was taken in 2004. It's from the same set as the one in the article. Personally, I don't think there are human remains under the coat in the pic. I think it's resting on a rock or another object. (Click on the image to see it full size.)

    I am in agreement with you on this Somechick those are not human remains, as u stated its a rock or something to that effect.....However, there are still bones at the wreck site...This is a webcast from 2005 Last Mysteries of the Titanic....Don Lynch a Titanic historian, states that in one of the early dives to recover artifacts while moving some kitchen equipment they did in fact find a small bone fragment underneath the equipment.....It was recovered and was found to be a Lamb bone which was the last meal served just hours before the collision.....Ken Marchall, an artist says that if u were to go into the tip of one of the shoes on the ocean floor is a GOOD chance that u will find a bone from a toe...the organisms down there do not like the stannic acid on leather....Regardless of what species that bone came from it proves that there are bones at that wreck site
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeChick View Post
    I wonder if any of the passengers' relatives have been able to claim any of the salvaged articles using old pictures maybe as documentation that items were once owned by their relatives? It would be nice if they were.

    Edith Haisman's grandson David Haisman told me a story about the salvaged watch belonging to her father whom went down with the ship, he said..and I quote "The salvage people turned up at a ceremony and informed Edith that they had found her fathers pocket watch, she was elated to have it back, The cameras filmed the event and still photographers for newspaers and as soon as the salvage company had got enough propaganda footage, they took it away from her again, and told her she could not own it because it belonged to the collection recovered from the wreck" cruel IMO



    Quote Originally Posted by Forever-27 View Post
    There was one where a girls doll is laying on the Prominade deck. Ballard said it freaked him out , he first thought it was a person, but it was only a doll.

    Ballard accidentally came across it in the debris field the doll head, was made of porcine which is perfectly preserved in the deep ocean e.g plates, cups..unfortunately it has not been seen since

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    Quote Originally Posted by beep View Post
    I was watching a program yesterday here in Canada on the CBC and they were talking about a coal fire that was out of control for the entire trip up until it sunk? And that when they reached New York they were going to have to bring on firefighters to help put the thing out?

    Am I the only one who had never heard of this?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...ry-808472.html

    I have heard of it before, but now I am interested. Let me try to find out more.

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    It's really too bad that Bob Ballard didn't put a claim in on the Titanic. He really didn't want to take anything, when he finally explored the wreck, because he felt that it was the final resting place for so many that it would be like grave robbing. Since he didn't put a claim on it, tons of treasure hunters went down and took as much as they could. I'm sure the condition the wreck site now has been decimated by people taking items, moving things around to get more stuff. Sad.
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    I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I was watching tv the other night, and two shopping channels were selling replicas of the jewelry that was found in the wreckage. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would like to have this stuff, but to me it seems like it'd bring bad karma, and is just in bad taste.

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    Titanic - a commemoration in music and film .....recommended

    In the UK there was an excellent event on saturday evening from Belfast on the 100th anniversary...
    Now on BBCi BBC iPlayer - Titanic: A Commemoration in Music and Film ...it'll be there for another few days.

    The document readings which wrapped themselves around the music were excellent, even if some of it might be a little over familiar now....however musically most of it was good, with three or four tremendous highlights - and of course one or two which misfired a little.
    The central part was beautiful and moving, leading from Father Browne's photos of Queenstown's departure to a wonderful new song sung by Katie Melua [I became an instant fan of her's] which could have done wonderfully well in any Titanic drama to represent the Eire people leaving for the US....then, after an emotive reading from survivor Charlotte Collyer's memories, Alfie Boe sang Bring Him Home in front of a marvellously depicted imagine symbolising Titanic's calls for help....Mica Paris finished the evening is strong style.

    Overall, most of it was brilliantly pulled off, the kind of thing the BBC broadcasts with not much fanfare, but is truly memorable and has garnered the praise ITV1 was looking for with its drama.....

    Here's the programme blurb....
    Live from Belfast's Waterfront Hall, John Humphrys hosts this unique blend of music and documentary to mark the centenary of the sinking of RMS Titanic.

    Live from Belfast's Waterfront Hall, John Humphrys hosts this commemorative event to mark the centenary of the sinking of RMS Titanic. A unique blend of music and documentary, the show features special performances from Bryan Ferry, Joss Stone, Nicola Benedetti, Alfie Boe, Charlie Siem, Maverick Sabre and the Ulster Orchestra. The performances wrap around a documentary which tells the story of the ill-fated ship, those who built her, the people who sailed on her and the enduring legacy of the tragedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenivere2011 View Post
    I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I was watching tv the other night, and two shopping channels were selling replicas of the jewelry that was found in the wreckage. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would like to have this stuff, but to me it seems like it'd bring bad karma, and is just in bad taste.
    I think it's tacky at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewEnglander View Post
    I'm sure the condition the wreck site now has been decimated by people taking items, moving things around to get more stuff. Sad.
    Bob Ballard said in an interview the submarine tours are doing the most damage, they run about $65,000 per ticket.
    The subs land on the wreck, for practical reasons, like weddings. Since they all touch down in the same general place, the wreck is caving in in that spot. The subs also managed to knock down the crows nest which was still intact when Ballard found the wreck.

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    Jeezuhs! Where does the tackiness end?

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    I didn't realize gawker excursions down to the wreck are frequent. At $65k per seat, that's for people who have too much time on their hands and don't give a s**t what damage they're doing. Another Titanic disaster may be in the offing...some day one of those subs might fall into the hull through a collapsed deck hole.
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    My dad was somewhere & saw there was some kind of 'auction' or something was going on... anyway, he picked up a piece of coal from the Titanic for me in 1998. It is preserved in a little plastic bag in a little box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bidmor View Post
    I didn't realize gawker excursions down to the wreck are frequent. At $65k per seat, that's for people who have too much time on their hands and don't give a s**t what damage they're doing. Another Titanic disaster may be in the offing...some day one of those subs might fall into the hull through a collapsed deck hole.
    Oh yeah! For years people have gone to the shipwreck and just somehow just picked up whatever the hell they find necessary to pick up. People have no respect.

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    In 2010 hubby and I did the Pearl Harbor Tour, it was so moving.

    Well except for the part where 69 years later morons take their pictures all over the deck while laughing, making faces, and gang signs.

    No reason to control your kids either. It's not like it's the final resting place for 1,177 men or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyt View Post
    My dad was somewhere & saw there was some kind of 'auction' or something was going on... anyway, he picked up a piece of coal from the Titanic for me in 1998. It is preserved in a little plastic bag in a little box.


    The coal from the wreck is the only thiing that be legally sold from the site. The US led this law and britian joined in. Its now against international law to sell any item other then coal to the public. Coal is coal, I never saw any worth to it

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