Relatives of the Famous or Infamous

[poppie]

Betty Grable and Harry James had two daughters born in 1944 and 1947 so they could still be alive. Barbara Stanwyck and Frank Fay adopted a child. Anges Moorehead adopted a child. Benjamin Bugsy Siegel had two daughters. We know Ronnie Burns just died, but what about his adopted sister Sandra. Debbie Reynolds/Eddie Fisher had more than one child. And, we know that Carrier Fisher has a daughter.

Anyway out there interested as I am in what happened to these celebrity kids?

[Noelle Page]

Where's Joey Luft?

[Kathyf]

Date of Birth

29 March 1955, Los Angeles, California, USA


Birth Name

Joseph Wiley Luft


Trivia

Son of Judy Garland and producer Sidney Luft;
Brother of Lorna Luft; half-brother of Liza Minnelli
Half-brother-in-law of Jack Haley Jr.
Nephew of Mary Jane Gumm and Virginia Gumm, half-brother-in-law of Peter Allen.
Still has a scar under one eye from when his sister Lorna scratched him when he was a year old
Uncle of sister Lorna Luft's children Vanessa and Jesse.
He and sister Lorna Luft have a older half brother John Luft from his father Sidney Lufts marriage to Lynn Bari.
Former stepson of Camille Keaton.

I guess he did a lot of Braodway. I only knew of Lorna.

[Jaxxx]

No, usually children of celebrities want to be left alone for a reason, people think your rich, etc., etc., and think they have a right to ask them questions, personal stuff about your life. So, no I don't wonder about them for a reason.

[VanEastGuy]

I am curious to know if Mae West's nephew, John is still alive. If he were, he'd be in his early 60's. I believe he last lived in Scottsdale, Arizona. Can anyone give me some information on this? Cheers!

[Heavenly Tiger]

What is his name?

[SomeChick]

Oh I don't know. Sometimes I'm curious about different famous folks' kids. By the looks of a couple of threads we've got going here, I'd say other people are interested in them too. Not so much in a prying way. More of an 'isn't that something?' way. Speaking of which, I'm gonna poke around to see whatever happened to Millicent and Barbara Seigel.

Well that didn't take long:

A) Not a whole big bunch is known about the girls however I do have a few bits of info. Millicent married and divorced her last name is Rosen. She has two children Cindy and Wendy. Cindy lives in Vegas and is married, Wendy is an attorney and married.Millicent lives in the LA area. As for Barbara I believe she is still alive although I have no real proof and the last know residence for her was in Michigan......

Taken from here: http://www.bugsysiegel.net/faq.html

[growl]

I'd like to know, that's why I'm here.

[Fancynancy]

Betty Grable and Harry James had two daughters born in 1944 and 1947 .

Anyway out there interested as I am in what happened to these celebrity kids?

Interesting, I haven't got a clue about these girls--I heard an interesting story, though--one of the James girls was named Jessica, and when she was born Tyrone Power sent over flowers or something saying "from one Jesse James to another." I thought that was cute, as he had recentlyplayed the outlaw in a movie.

[Giada]

Todd Fisher, Carrie Fisher's younger brother, both children of Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher.

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0279816/

Carrie's daughter is Billie ... possibly in her early teens.

Carrie's newest book, Wishful Drinking reads like stand up comedy.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...=carrie+fisher

[jaylene]

I always wondered what happend to Patsy Cline's
kids Julie & Randy.

[Heavenly Tiger]

Both of her daughters were alive when she died in 1973 http://www.angelfire.com/my/mighty8t...ttygrabel.html but that's all I can find.

[Jack-O-Lantern]

Where's Joey Luft?

A little birdie told me that he owns his own business--isn't in show biz at all.

[Nicki]

A little birdie told me that he owns his own business--isn't in show biz at all.

This was on a Judy Garland Blog concerning Joey Luft:
Joe is a photographer. He lives in California. I don't know that much about him either. He has managed to keep his personal life quite. I did read that he attempted to get into show business but it didn't work out. I met him last summer and he was really nice. It was really sweet to see how his eyes just lit up when he talked about his mother. He really loves her as i'm sure Liza and Lorna do too.


August 3, 2009

Joey Luft

Barbara Stanywick and Frank Fays Son, Dion Anthony Fay. They were estranged for the majority of his life.
I heard he died a few years back. But I found this on one of the Imdb Blogs:


I think much had to do with her experience with Frank Fay.
Her constant attempts to reform him simply made matters worse.
When she cut off all contact with Frank he eventually quit
drinking, returned to Broadway and had a huge success with "Harvey".

Dion himself told one tabloid of the time she gave in to his pleas
and removed him from a private school and allowed him to live at home
and attend the neighborhood school. However, when he continued
to be uncooperative with his teachers he was sent again to another private
school which ultimately expelled him. She feared having a spoiled Mama's
boy, but that is what he was. It seems he resented Taylor and considered
him a rival for her affections. In fact, in another tabloid article Dion
said that in one of their last phone conversations Barbara accused him
of having been the main cause of trouble in her marriage to Taylor.

When she cut off all personal contact (as with Frank Fay) she still
stayed informed of Dion's problems through her friend Buck Mack.
She bailed Dion out of many jams. For example, I've heard that at one
job he absconded with the firm's bank deposit. The company contacted
Barbara and she repaid the money.

There was another disturbing incident which I won't go into
out of respect for his family, but which Barbara found unforgiveably disgusting.

If I had been in Barbara's place I don't know what I would have done
differently. Perhaps I would have been able to cope with this troubled
child, my experiences being vastly different from hers. But maybe not.

[Angelina]

Yeah I wonder about them too, like do they inhertiate the clothes, jewelery, oscars etc

[leeny994]

Yeah I wonder about them too, like do they inhertiate the clothes, jewelery, oscars etc

I mean---technically i would assume they do---depending on contracts and wills. Like for instance Hattie McDaniel--who did not have children--left her oscar in the keeping of Howard University. (unfortunately it was stolen). but I also recall Susan Sarandon commenting that the oscar cannot be sold and if the winner no longer wishes to possess it then it is supposed to return to the Academy....but hey if i had a mom or dad or who won an oscar I am going to keep that sucker---hide it in a box or something lol

[Nvr_Sk_to_Tll]

Anges Moorehead adopted a child.

According to any records I can seem to scrounge up, Sean (that was his name) disappeared, rather mysteriously, right around the time Agnes died. Either he didn't want to spend his life known as her son and so went to great lengths to hide out, or he died, or...maybe the Illuminati did it...

[Kimmell]

In the movie, "Momie Dearest", Joan has a son Christopher. Anyone know what became of him? Did he agree to what was written about his mother in the book by his sister? I have always wondered what Christopher's opinions, and his thoughts were.

[NewYorkDoll]

Joan Crawford adopted five children. Christina Crawford resides in Idaho. There were actually two adopted baby boys given the name Christopher Crawford. The first Christopher, at the age of almost one year, was reclaimed by his biological mother. The second Christopher remained with Joan Crawford and died of cancer in 2006. And then there were twins Cathy and Cynthia Crawford. Cathy resides in Pennsylvania. Cynthia died in 2007

[NewYorkDoll]

todd fisher is kind of a strange dude.

[FannyB1923]

It sounds like Todd Fisher likes show business (he's a producer and is designing his mother's show business museum) but doesn't want to be the one in the spotlight. Found an article about him- he's married with kids. He's also active in developing alternative energy resources. http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?a...=2696&end=2695

I got to wondering about Diana Ross' sons with the Norwegian businessman- they're all grown up now. The second son, Evan is an actor. Picture here: http://cm1.theinsider.com/thumbnail/...ossandevan.jpg Their father was killed in a mountain climbing accident.

Groucho Marx had a daughter, Melinda, who did some pop singing when I was a teenager. I think she had a record but it wasn't a big hit. Wonder what's become of her?

[Rhonda]

There was another disturbing incident which I won't go into
out of respect for his family, but which Barbara found unforgiveably disgusting.

Now I just gots ta know what was so unfogiveably disgusting to Babs!! Dig people, DIG!!

[NewYorkDoll]

here's melinda marx *singing*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&gl...&v=XeKWjHSMIhg

and evan ross, diana's son, is working a lot and is pretty good in this film:

gardens of the night
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0833960/

An 8-year-old girl is taken from her home and convinced that her family does not want her anymore. After enduring years of horror, she and her fellow victim are dumped by their captures. Now, 17 years old and no one to turn to, except each other they do their best to survive life on the streets, until one day she finally accepts the help of a shelter counselor to find her way home. However, what she truly finds is the love of her life and that you can never go back. "Gardens of the Night", is a haunting, gritty and topical story which delves deep into the world of child abduction and where it often leads...for the "lucky ones.



it's a really good, tho disturbing film. tom arnold as the pedo, is scary convincing.

[Giada]

Debbie Reynold owned a hotel in Vegas where her vintage clothing was on display. I believe Todd Fisher was one of, or the manager of the hotel.

http://lasvegas.wikia.com/wiki/Debbi...Hotel_&_Casino

It did suffer financially but was not in a bad location as reported in wiki. It was at the end of the Fremont Experience downtown.

[Nicki]

todd fisher is kind of a strange dude.

He has a website: http://www.toddfisher.com/index.html Sounds like he is a fairly busy guy. Considering he got stuck with Eddie Fisher for his dad....his mom did a fairly good job.

[cash]

Cheryl Crane ( daughter of Lana Turner) now sells real estate in CA. I guess her mother didn't leave enough money.

http://www.cherylc.mywindermere.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=agentOffice.AgentDetail&agentMetauser_ID=209405

[Giada]

Cheryl Crane wrote in her bio she was sexually abused by her step-father Lex Barker. She has the benefit of a long term relationship with her partner Jocelyn.

Cheryl stabbed her mother's mob boyfriend when she was 15 years of age. There may or may not be a film in pre-production on the stabbing, tentatively titled, "Stompanato."

[Murphee]

Cheryl Crane wrote in her bio she was sexually abused by her step-father Lex Barker. She has the benefit of a long term relationship with her partner Jocelyn.

Cheryl stabbed her mother's mob boyfriend when she was 15 years of age. There may or may not be a film in pre-production on the stabbing, tentatively titled, "Stompanato."

I believe she was only 14 (but anyways, what a life, eh?) She sells some of her mother's items on eBay, and she has a book out about her famous Mom.

[RogerV]

Norma Shearer and Irving Thalberg had a son and a daughter, both of whom did not like Hollywood at all. The son became a college professor in Illinois and died of cancer in his 50's. I forget what happened to the daughter, but it was nothing scandalous... she just lived an ordinary life far away from Hollywood.

[KELT]

Norma Shearer and Irving Thalberg had a son and a daughter, both of whom did not like Hollywood at all. The son became a college professor in Illinois and died of cancer in his 50's. I forget what happened to the daughter, but it was nothing scandalous... she just lived an ordinary life far away from Hollywood.

Both of NORMA'S children have died. The daughter, KATHARINE died about 3,4 years ago. Supposedly NORMA was not the best mother; not that she was cruel nor anything on a par with the CRAWFORD legend just that she was indifferent. She was supposedly an extremely self absorbed individual. Both children were largely raised by nannies followed by boarding school(s). NORMA played maternal but mostly it was confined to her screen roles.
There's a story that at KATHARINE'S Sweet 16 party that right after KATHARINE blew out the candles on the cake NORMA gushed and said, "Ah darling, I just can't believe it.......it's seems like only yesterday that you were a baby and now you're a young lady " to which KATHARINE countered, and in front of everyone mind you, "Really mother, I didn't think you noticed ! "




NORMA with IRVING, IRVING JR. and baby KATHARINE
1936

The THALBERGS with IRVING JR
1933

[NOVSTORM]

This was on a Judy Garland Blog concerning Joey Luft:
Joe is a photographer. He lives in California. I don't know that much about him either. He has managed to keep his personal life quite. I did read that he attempted to get into show business but it didn't work out. I met him last summer and he was really nice. It was really sweet to see how his eyes just lit up when he talked about his mother. He really loves her as i'm sure Liza and Lorna do too.


August 3, 2009

Joey Luft

Barbara Stanywick and Frank Fays Son, Dion Anthony Fay. They were estranged for the majority of his life.
I heard he died a few years back. But I found this on one of the Imdb Blogs:


I think much had to do with her experience with Frank Fay.
Her constant attempts to reform him simply made matters worse.
When she cut off all contact with Frank he eventually quit
drinking, returned to Broadway and had a huge success with "Harvey".

Dion himself told one tabloid of the time she gave in to his pleas
and removed him from a private school and allowed him to live at home
and attend the neighborhood school. However, when he continued
to be uncooperative with his teachers he was sent again to another private
school which ultimately expelled him. She feared having a spoiled Mama's
boy, but that is what he was. It seems he resented Taylor and considered
him a rival for her affections. In fact, in another tabloid article Dion
said that in one of their last phone conversations Barbara accused him
of having been the main cause of trouble in her marriage to Taylor.

When she cut off all personal contact (as with Frank Fay) she still
stayed informed of Dion's problems through her friend Buck Mack.
She bailed Dion out of many jams. For example, I've heard that at one
job he absconded with the firm's bank deposit. The company contacted
Barbara and she repaid the money.

There was another disturbing incident which I won't go into
out of respect for his family, but which Barbara found unforgiveably disgusting.

If I had been in Barbara's place I don't know what I would have done
differently. Perhaps I would have been able to cope with this troubled
child, my experiences being vastly different from hers. But maybe not.

I read that he was a peeping Tom and got caught and she flipped out

[RogerV]

both of norma's children have died. The daughter, katharine died about 3,4 years ago. Supposedly norma was not the best mother; not that she was cruel nor anything on a par with the crawford legend just that she was indifferent. She was supposedly an extremely self absorbed individual. Both children were largely raised by nannies followed by boarding school(s). norma played maternal but mostly it was confined to her screen roles.
there's a story that at katharine's sweet 16 party that right after katharine blew out the candles on the cake norma gushed and said, "ah darling, i just can't believe it.......it's seems like only yesterday that you were a baby and now you're a young lady " to which katharine countered, and in front of everyone mind you, "really mother, i didn't think you noticed ! "


lol. That's a great story. I read two biographies of norma some time back, and i do remember that irving, jr. Hated being driven to school in a limousine.

EDIT: Katharine Thalberg was married three times. She eventually became the owner of a bookstore and vegan restaurant in Aspen, CO, where she died at the age of 70.

[KELT]

Cheryl Crane wrote in her bio she was sexually abused by her step-father Lex Barker. She has the benefit of a long term relationship with her partner Jocelyn.

Cheryl stabbed her mother's mob boyfriend when she was 15 years of age. There may or may not be a film in pre-production on the stabbing, tentatively titled, "Stompanato."

LANA & CHERYL
1947


LANA, JOHNNY STOMPANATO & CHERYL
1958

CHERYL, LANA & JOSH
Hawaii 1983

1988

[JudyAnn]

^Whoa. Are those dates accurate? If so, look at the 1947 photo of Lana...and then 11 years later at the '58 photo. She rapidly became old looking and weathered.

Her daughter is gorgeous and look like a young Tippy Hendren.

[KELT]

^Whoa. Are those dates accurate? If so, look at the 1947 photo of Lana...and then 11 years later at the '58 photo. She rapidly became old looking and weathered.

Her daughter is gorgeous and look like a young Tippy Hendren.

Yep dates are accurate.
First image is from 1947 at which time CHERYL was 3 going on 4.
The second one from 11 year later which shows CHERYL meeting her mother & STOMPANATO at the airport when they were returning from a trip; maybe LANA was exhausted ?
Can't always look topnotch !

[Mammy]

I was wondering the other day (don't have a clue WHY) about Cher and Greg Allman's son, Elijah. He manages to live his life out of the public's view. Wonder what he is like and what he does for a living? Love me some Cher!

[navallint]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZiozTTLDqU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTjFt...eature=related

Elijah Blue on you tube

[Nicki]

Here is Barbra Streisand and Elliot Gould's son Jason Gould.
This is a tribute he did to his mother. Have to say there is a scene in here with Nick Nolte. This man...(Nolte, not Jason) is so gawd..Dammmmmmm Handsome its scary. Of course he hasn't looked this good in years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeOlIa27_wc

[Nessa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZiozTTLDqU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTjFt...eature=related

Elijah Blue on you tube

Looks like his daddy!

[Mammy]

Thanks for the reply, navallint. I haven't seen any pictures of him since he was a little boy.

[shipmatekate]

Yep dates are accurate.
First image is from 1947 at which time CHERYL was 3 going on 4.
The second one from 11 year later which shows CHERYL meeting her mother & STOMPANATO at the airport when they were returning from a trip; maybe LANA was exhausted ?
Can't always look topnotch !

Lana sat in the sun a LOT. It really trashes your skin and ages you.

[RogerV]

NORMA with IRVING, IRVING JR. and baby KATHARINE
1936

Please look at Norma's feet. You will see that she is resting most, if not all of her weight on her right foot, and her left foot is only helping her to keep her balance, if it's doing anything at all. Although this is a somewhat extreme example, I have seen dozens of photos of actresses and possibly other women of this era standing in a similar way. You can see pictures of Jean Harlow and others doing the same thing in the "Actors and Actresses" thread.

My question is, "WHY?" Is that what was once known as a "well turned ankle?" Anybody?

[Heavenly Tiger]

I was wondering the other day (don't have a clue WHY) about Cher and Greg Allman's son, Elijah. He manages to live his life out of the public's view. Wonder what he is like and what he does for a living? Love me some Cher!

Found him here. Cher never seemed to mention him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Blue_Allman

[KELT]

My question is, "WHY?" Is that what was once known as a "well turned ankle?" Anybody?

Decades ago women wanted their feet to appear small & graceful, hence the posed stance that you'll often find in these old pictures.

CLARA BOW
1929

DOROTHY LaMOUR in 1942

NATALIE with turned ankle at her first wedding in '57.

[Katrinawitch]

Decades ago women wanted their feet to appear small & graceful, hence the posed stance that you'll often find in these old pictures.

Never mind decades ago... it's still happening now! I'm a huge fashion geek, and while I don't follow celebrity gossip or anything, I love watching the red carpet for all major awards shows. Most actresses still do this pose nowadays. It's just more flattering.

[FannyB1923]

Burt and Norma Lancaster had four or five kids. Their son Bill is deceased. He only outlived his dad by three years.

He doesn't look anything like Burt, Mr Handsome Smiley....not sure if this is because of the movie he's doing, but Bill looks like a sad, sad person:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Lancaster

Bill was married to Kippie Kovacs (Ernie's daughter) who died in 2001. Ernie's daughter with Edie Adams, Mia is also deceased- died in a car wreck like her father. Anybody know anything about Ernie's other daughter Elizabeth?

[Nicki]

Ernie Kovacs is buried next to his wife Edie Adams and his daughters Kippie and Mia.
11/01/2008
They are all buried together in Forest Lawn Memorial Park, Hollywood, CA

Not sure what happen to his daughter Elizabeth "Betty" There is an Elizabeth Betty Kovacs on Facebook.....not sure if that is her.

[Nicki]

Here is a video on The Leno Show of Natalies Daughter Natasha Gregson Wagner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCgNJ...eature=related



The baby Courtney Wagner and her dad.

[seurtoFW]

Gloria Swanson had 3 kids - Little Gloria, the adopted boy Joe, and another girl, Michelle. Little Gloria Somborn DOB 10/6/20 by Herbert Somborn; Joseph DOB approx 3/22 (also known as Brother and Buddy) (also not Joe Kennedy's); Michelle Farmer DOB ?/32 by Michael Farmer. Anyone know anything?

[Nicki]

Gloria Swanson had 3 kids - Little Gloria, the adopted boy Joe, and another girl, Michelle. Little Gloria Somborn DOB 10/6/20 by Herbert Somborn; Joseph DOB approx 3/22 (also known as Brother and Buddy) (also not Joe Kennedy's); Michelle Farmer DOB ?/32 by Michael Farmer. Anyone know anything?

Did find this:
Michelle Bridget Farmer1

F, #298766, b. 5 April 1932
Michelle Bridget Farmer|b. 5 Apr 1932|p29877.htm#i298766|Michael Farmer|b. 9 May 1902\nd. Jun 1975|p29877.htm#i298763|Gloria May Josephine Swanson|b. 27 Mar 1899\nd. 4 Apr 1983|p29815.htm#i298147|Michael W. Farmer||p29883.htm#i298828|Mary J. Good||p29883.htm#i298829|Joseph T. Swanson||p29876.htm#i298756|Adelaide Klanowski||p29876.htm#i298759|

Last Edited=29 Jun 2008 Michelle Bridget Farmer was born on 5 April 1932.1 She is the daughter of Michael Farmer and Gloria May Josephine Swanson.1 She married Robert Amon in 1951.1
From 1951, her married name became Amon.1
Children of Michelle Bridget Farmer and Robert Amon

• Guy Peter Amon1 b. 13 Jan 1954
• Virginie Glory Amon1 b. 28 Nov 1956, d. 7 Jul 1979

Citations

1. [S171] Charles Kidd, Debrett Goes to Hollywood (New York, U.S.A.: St. Martin's Press, 1986), page 29. Hereinafter cited as Debrett Goes to Hollywood.

Robert Amon1

M, #298767

Last Edited=29 Jun 2008 Robert Amon married Michelle Bridget Farmer, daughter of Michael Farmer and Gloria May Josephine Swanson, in 1951.1
Robert Amon was a film producer at Paris, France.1
Children of Robert Amon and Michelle Bridget Farmer

• Guy Peter Amon1 b. 13 Jan 1954
• Virginie Glory Amon1 b. 28 Nov 1956, d. 7 Jul 1979

Citations

1. [S171] Charles Kidd, Debrett Goes to Hollywood (New York, U.S.A.: St. Martin's Press, 1986), page 29. Hereinafter cited as Debrett Goes to Hollywood.

Guy Peter Amon1

M, #298768, b. 13 January 1954
Guy Peter Amon|b. 13 Jan 1954|p29877.htm#i298768|Robert Amon||p29877.htm#i298767|Michelle Bridget Farmer|b. 5 Apr 1932|p29877.htm#i298766|||||||Michael Farmer|b. 9 May 1902\nd. Jun 1975|p29877.htm#i298763|Gloria M. J. Swanson|b. 27 Mar 1899\nd. 4 Apr 1983|p29815.htm#i298147|

Last Edited=29 Jun 2008 Guy Peter Amon was born on 13 January 1954.1 He is the son of Robert Amon and Michelle Bridget Farmer.1
Citations

1. [S171] Charles Kidd, Debrett Goes to Hollywood (New York, U.S.A.: St. Martin's Press, 1986), page 29. Hereinafter cited as Debrett Goes to Hollywood.

Virginie Glory Amon1

F, #298769, b. 28 November 1956, d. 7 July 1979
Virginie Glory Amon|b. 28 Nov 1956\nd. 7 Jul 1979|p29877.htm#i298769|Robert Amon||p29877.htm#i298767|Michelle Bridget Farmer|b. 5 Apr 1932|p29877.htm#i298766|||||||Michael Farmer|b. 9 May 1902\nd. Jun 1975|p29877.htm#i298763|Gloria M. J. Swanson|b. 27 Mar 1899\nd. 4 Apr 1983|p29815.htm#i298147|

Last Edited=29 Jun 2008 Virginie Glory Amon was born on 28 November 1956.1 She was the daughter of Robert Amon and Michelle Bridget Farmer.1 She died on 7 July 1979 at age 22.1