No self-respecting Death Hag should be without this book in their collection. I've owned several updated editions over the years and this is definately top shelf information:
http://www.amazon.com/Over-Edge-Deat...875627-3175141
No self-respecting Death Hag should be without this book in their collection. I've owned several updated editions over the years and this is definately top shelf information:
http://www.amazon.com/Over-Edge-Deat...875627-3175141
Wow, that looks like a real interesting read. When I visited the canyon a few years back I couldn't help wondering about how many people had died there, accidentally & purposely
Thanks for the heads up - I'll order that.
In the same vein this movie is grotesquely fascinating (The Bridge):
http://www.uk.imdb.com/title/tt0799954/
K.
The things you learn in this book: "On November 28, 1992, Greg Austin Gingrich, age 38, jumped on top of the rock wall protecting vistors from the ledge at the Rim Trail near the El Tovar. He then faced his daughter and faked like he was falling off. He lept backward off the rock wall, apparently aiming for the ledge just behind the rock wall. He instead landed on the sloping edge, slipped off that, and fell 400 feet."
I'm sorry but ... HAHAHAHAHA!! That's pricelessOriginally Posted by jennidianne
K.
Another one: After drinking at the Bright Angel Bar during the late evening of May 11, 1997, , Lana Virginia Smith, age 28, walked outside with a friend and sat on a retaining wall. Her friend walked away to phone for help. Smith solo walked atop the guard wall, slipped off, and fell 25 feet. From there, she yelled for help to people on the rim. As rescuers positioned themselves, Smith became impatient, moved, but slid 30 feet farther down. She grabbed a tree branch above the precipice. As rescuers fixed a rope for a rescue, Smith could no longer retain her hold, slid futher down and then off the cliff face. She was found the next day after falling 234 feet to her death.
Ever wonder if the Canyon has been used for suicide? Of course! As in this example: On February 2, 1974, Stephen S. Steiner, 24, and Peggy J. Horner, 31, drove to Yaki Point at the Canyon on their prized motorcycle, rented a Hertz car, then in an apparent suicide pact, drove it off the rim at high speed, plunging 1,500 feet below.
Does my brain work in an unusual way, Jenni? When I read that I can't help thinking, "Why didn't they just ride off the edge on their bike?!".
Someone had to pay for that car!
K.
June 11, 2005
Victim: Ben Bernal
Age: 55
Location: South Rim Trail, near outdoor worship site. Grand Canyon.
Bernal, from California, and a woman companion took refuge under a tree from a lightning storm (Mistake #1). Lightning struck the tree and grounded through both people. Bernal suffered cardiac arrest. A good samaritian physician pronounced Bernal dead and discouraged CPR (Mistake #2).
Bernal was resuscitated by rangers several minutes later however, but died in the hospital. Oops.
Of course, it could also just as likely have been a Driving Lesson gone horrible awry:
A)"Which one is the brake again?"
B) "It's the one......no! Not that one!" (Car sails off into space)
Last edited by ST Moron; 10-08-2007 at 05:36 AM.
HAHA! I prefer your version of events, amigo
K.
Don't forget Thelma and Louise!
Renowned Death Hag
This is such a trip! I used to think about the same thing and picked up the book when I was there, too! Do they have a book about how many peple fell of the Empire State Building? I'd love to read that!
Renowned Death Hag
Yeah, "The Bridge" is a GREAT movie! I saw it at the movie theater when it came out and then ordered the DVD when it came out.
Anyone who is fascinated with people who have committed suicide by jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco - they show actual jumps, interview friends/family of the victims, and even interview one guy who survived! It's a pretty surreal movie.
I used to live in San Francisco and had walked across the bridge a few times - it's a majestic bridge. For the longest time, I had wanted to have my ashes scattered by the bridge, but after seeing this movie and the fact it's a suicide "magnet", I've decided to have my ashes scattered in another spot!
I HIGHLY recommend this movie for the Death Hag!
You know, I thought that EXACT same thing ("why didn't they just use the bike?") And then, of course, that they wouldn't get the security deposit back on that car rental...Does my brain work in an unusual way, Jenni? When I read that I can't help thinking, "Why didn't they just ride off the edge on their bike?!".
Someone had to pay for that car!
K.
Mr. K and I saw that late one night. We flipped on the channel, and it was on I think either Sundance or IFC, and we were instantly riveted.
It's a deeply disturbing, yet beautiful movie. And I still don't think I can own it on DVD.
Heh! That crossed my mind too. Glad I'm not alone
K.
For reasons I don't entirely understand, whenever I hear the words "truck" or "car" and "security deposit" I always think of that dipstick (there is no charitable way to describe the truly stupid, sorry) Mohammed Salameh.
This is the guy who (partially) blew up the World Trade Center in 1993 with an explosives-filled "Ryder" rental truck.
And who, immediately afterward (and for reasons best understood by modern psychiatry) called the rental company to try to get his security deposit back. This despite the fact that the truck was now in easy-to-carry, pocket-sized chunks (not to worry, though: he cunningly reported it as "stolen").
And what was worse, he kept calling them. Like it was just a matter of "wearing them down" or something.
Can you imagine how those conversations must have gone? What I wouldn't give for a tape of them.
Jesus: he made the Three Stooges look like Nobel Laureates.
Last edited by ST Moron; 10-08-2007 at 05:10 PM.
Another interesting book about deaths in the wilderness is Death in Yellowstone: Accidents and Foolhardiness in Our First National Park. In 2000 my family and I went to Yellowstone & my daughter bought this book. There are many sad and tragic stories in it. Example a man dived into a hot spring that measured 202 degrees F to save a dog you can imagine the outcome.
http://www.amazon.com/Death-Yellowst.../dp/1570980217
Renowned Death Hag
Stew?
Sorry, couldn't resist...
I guess he was dying for a hot dog.
HAHAHAHAHA! Puns are back in fashion!
K.
Last edited by keef; 10-09-2007 at 01:35 PM.
Ba dum cha!I guess he was dying for a hot dog.
HAHAHAHAHA! Pun's are back in fashion!
K.
Ow. Your pun made me smile...then wince.
Stew?
Sorry, couldn't resist...
LMAO! Yum yum NOT!
OMG...thanks for that Laugh!!!
I have that book as well.
I saw this movie on the Sundance Channel. Brutal!! Shows people just climbing over the rail and jumping.Wow, that looks like a real interesting read. When I visited the canyon a few years back I couldn't help wondering about how many people had died there, accidentally & purposely
Thanks for the heads up - I'll order that.
In the same vein this movie is grotesquely fascinating (The Bridge):
http://www.uk.imdb.com/title/tt0799954/
K.
Just read this. A 4 year old girl fell over the edge of the Grand Canyon. Her dad tried CPR to revive her, but couldn't. Sad
Maybe she thought she was Diane Linkletter!
Very Sad Indeed
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300629,00.html
I found the following article about Golden Gate jumpers to be quite well written...it's from The New Yorker. http://www.newyorker.com/archive/200...?currentPage=2
The problem with jumping is you can never be sure that you will 'do the job' or end up as a living vegetable.
Renowned Death Hag
The guy who made the movie, got the idea to do it, based on that article.
A couple years ago, The San Francisco Chronicle (local paper there), ran a HUGE few day article about the suicides on the bridge and even interviewed the coast guard and other emergency crews who would fish out the bodies and they described the condition they'd be in - pretty much all broken up, since jumping off that bridge at such a high elevation and hitting the water is like hitting cement.
It was a pretty gruesome article - and yes, I clipped it!
Here is the followup to the fall yesterday...
http://www.azcentral.com/community/s...anyon1010.html
Thanks, jenni...I'll say it again....so sad
i read a book about a man who pushed at least 2 of his wives to their deaths from the grand canyon. he also murdered his first wife and the kids and made it look like a double murder/suicide.
Read it in one weekend! I just want to meet the author and kiss him on the mouth!
Hi All,
I am new here, but not really. I have been reading all your posts, but this is the first one I have replied to.
I grew up in Flagstaff, AZ which is about 70 miles from the Grand Canyon. Almost every year there would be news of someone who fell into the Grand Canyon, one person drove their car into it, some people have fallen when someone has told them to take one step back for a better picture. Sightseeing helicopters crash ALL THE TIME. In fact, there is a mass burial in Citizens Cemetery in Flagstaff for victims of a crash that happened over the GC in 1956. 128 people died and most of them were buried in Flag because they were unidentifiable.
What got me actually to reply to this post is because I have a friend from HS that made it into the Over The Edge book. Her name was Sondra Schuler, p. 266. She died in a plane crash.
And as a follow up...that little girl that fell in last week was at a location called Mather Point. There are no railings...People need to keep a better eye on their children when there standing at the edge of a canyon that is a mile deep.....with no railings.
Have a great day!.
First thing I thought of too!!Does my brain work in an unusual way, Jenni? When I read that I can't help thinking, "Why didn't they just ride off the edge on their bike?!".
Someone had to pay for that car!
K.
Renowned Death Hag
lol...a hot dog with mustard and relish please...
Stew?
Sorry, couldn't resist...
OMG that made me laugh so hard!
I think part of the problem is that many (most?) Americans seem to have an "amusement park" mentality now. Meaning that when they go to a popular tourist attraction, they expect everything to be 100% safe by default.
And while I can understand why people might want, say, Disney World to be a non-threatening experience, I'm also not convinced that a bubble-wrapped world is one that is going to encourage people to exercise good judgment (even when they really need to).
Renowned Death Hag
Renowned Death Hag
Request A Car To Drive Off Of The Grand Canyon?
Who do you think we are... HERTZ?
I loved that film! I watched it about a month ago and though it was very sad but interesting. I didn't realise around 1,300 people have died committing sucide from the bridge since it opened.Wow, that looks like a real interesting read. When I visited the canyon a few years back I couldn't help wondering about how many people had died there, accidentally & purposely
Thanks for the heads up - I'll order that.
In the same vein this movie is grotesquely fascinating (The Bridge):
http://www.uk.imdb.com/title/tt0799954/
K.
Renowned Death Hag
Jeeeez, 450 foot fall... 4 years old? I guess the attempt to resuscitate was just to say they did it. At that point I think God himself would have to step in for any chance of survival.
You somehow can't help standing there looking at the Grand Canyon and wondering how many people have fallen. I was at the West end of it this past summer, I saw the new Skywalk bridge, but didn't go out on it...I'm afraid of heights....and I surely wouldn't go to close to the edge!! I wondered why there were no "railings" for safety, but...how can you put railings on something so huge....
Renowned Death Hag
If they were to go on Bikes, why not just jump? They probably figured what's the best way to go together... Car, ok let's do it.
We have them on thousands of miles of highway...but...how can you put railings on something so huge....
Renowned Death Hag
It's most likely an aesthetic reason just like the Golden Gate bridge.
(smacking my head)..Duh...
The reason they don't put safety rails in the grand canyon trails is that it is against federal law to do so, as it would destroy the natural beauty of the park..
Then again, they have safety rails on the trail in Carlsbad Caverns, another national park.. hmm..
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