http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305463,00.html
What on earth? This just breaks my heart. I just can't wrap my head around this one. Any thoughts?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305463,00.html
What on earth? This just breaks my heart. I just can't wrap my head around this one. Any thoughts?
I first posted this in the Everything Else forum, but perhaps it should go here.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305463,00.html
I'm saddened beyond belief.
Seems really strange. I need to know more. How was well was the rope tied. Something smells fishy to me.
heartbreakingly sad.
[SIZE=4]Thats horrible[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]I didnt even know what that was when I was in the 2nd grade, much less thought about it[/SIZE]
oh my god... how awful... i had heard of small children committing suicide, but i didn't want to think it possible... even now, i want to think that it was murder somehow... don't know why that makes it more palatable to me... those poor parents... the kid must have seen something on tv or at a haunted house... surely he wasn't despondent enough to seriously want to kill himself...
kids just grow up too quickly these days... they are exposed to stuff they shouldn't be at such a tender age...
i remember once my son spent the night at a buddy's house... he was about 6... the next day he told me that they had watched "Nightmare on Elmstreet"... i was so mad... i saw that as a teenager and it scared the crap outta me... just goes to show that we have little control over what our kids see and think.... just have to trust that you love them enough that they don't pull shit like columbine...
i know, i am rambling... lots of thoughts...
S
We had a case like that here a while back. I think the boy was 11 and he was a competitive gymnast, as was his sister. He couldn't handle the stress that his family was putting on him with gymnastics, and he hung himself with shoe laces in his closet while his parents were out of the house.
I knew about suicide at a young age, because my sister's friend killed himself in his basement. It was just plain awful.
I can't imagine feeling like there is no other way for release than killing myself. That is just to horrible for words....
You're right that is so sad. To think that a child that young is so unhappy is just tragic. And it just fills your mind with 'if onlys'
did he really kill himsef?? my friend's son who was 10 killed himself in a freak accident. by hanging. we do not believe he meant to kill himself. his mom and dad did not abuse him and he was well taken care of. this child was smart and caused mom no problems and she did see he had a good life ahead of him. so she took extra time with him. his death had a big impact on the other kids. they found him. sad.
That is unbelievable. As mean as this sounds, I hope it was an accident.
OMG, at 7??!!
There was a story about a boy hanging himself when Suddam was executed. The story went that the kid saw the news and asked about it. He didn't seem to pay much attention to it.
Then he was found hanging in his bedroom dead. Somehow they got the idea he
wanted to see what it was like and actually hung himself. I don't recall the details.
OMG!! Jesus, 7??!! It says he may have been upset about a bad grade in school. I wonder if his parents were hard on him about his grades, and he just didn't want to disappoint them.
Unless there was abuse involved, I cannot for the life of of me think of WHY a 7 year old would choose to end their own life ...
Wow, I'm truly stunned. How horrible for his parents and family members. They are in my prayers.
Chocking and sad.
I wonder if it was really a suicide or a homicide though.
But sometime ago, I heard about an 8 year old killing his mother and then killing himself with a shotgun. He supposedly left a note explaining his reasons but the cops didn't release it to the press.
Sorry I have no link for this case. But remember reading about it like two or three years ago.
Childhood depression is getting more and more commom it seems.
Last edited by Danse Macabre; 10-26-2007 at 02:07 PM.
One thing people tend to forget, that a child's problem is just as big as a adults. It is so sad that the warning signs were not read by the child's parents or school. Let's all pay attention when a friend or family member behavior is changing and to let them know you are there for them.
Sometimes kids feel they have to live up to a certain level, which is impossible to attain. The article states he recently got a bad grade on a paper - maybe the pressure was so much that he felt he couldn't face it. It's only speculation - I really couldn't understand the loss of my children, I'm not sure I could live through it.
suicide at SEVEN FREAKIN years old? My GOD our society has a way of just killing our babies sometimes.. that is beyond belief!
im trying to remember being 7. i dont think i even knew you could kill yourself back then. i wonder if the boy had any type of imbalance if it wasnt an accident. i was reading the fox article at work. so sad.
IF anyone hears more on this let us know.What in the hell would make a 7 year old take his life.Where the hell were his parents.
yep yep, i was playing fairy princess and watching stuff like johnny quest, Yogi bear and bugs bunny at 7, had NO CLUE what suicide was for gods sakes. Is our society that messed up now?
I remember hearing about the older (middle school aged) brother of a girl I knew in 2nd grade who hung himself......it was the first time I remember the subject of suicide being discussed in my presence. I recall being told it was an accidental death.
Years later, my mom told me about an incident when I would have been about 4 where a neighbor lady sent her kids out to play, then shot & killed herself....locked in a bedroom. Apparently my mom was among the several moms on the street (it was an army base, so we all lived "in close quarters") who were burdened with the task of keeping the kids, including those of the deceased, indoors while the M.P.s were working the crime scene.
I just can't rap my mind around the thought that a 7yr old took his own life.
maybe he saw something on tv that showed a cartoon charterers or movie where someone hung themselves, and he is like cool i'm going to try that.
when i saw like superman or mighty mouse fly i would get on top of my bunk bead and try and fly, (head first to the floor) after a few times i learned, that doesn't work lol
that is horrible i have an 8 y/o..so this really hits close to home
Damn, at 7 years old I cannot believe one would kill themselves. Very tragic!
I used to work in a photo lab and saw pix of a 12 year old who shot himself and 9 year old who sat on train tracks. Must have been a rough home life to want to get out that bad.
Heartbreaking. I just cant believe that a 7 year old CAN committ suicide or have the "i want to die" thought in his head.
I first attempted suicide at the age of four. I didn't really know what death was at that point, but I knew that I didn't want to be here any more.
I have a nine year old son who is being bullied at school, and he recently told me that he wishes he were dead. It scared me, given my own history. So yes, I can believe that a seven year old could commit suicide. My heart goes out to him and his family.
How very tragic and sad !! I know there have been instances of suicide in younger people, but this article leaves a lot to be desired !! Why are they calling it suicide ? Was there a note, a forewarning ? How do they know he didn't do this accidently, which I am more inclined to believe with a child so young........something doesn't feel quite right here !!
I worked at a children's psych hospital before my current job and we did have a few kids around that age come through who had made pretty good attempts. It makes absolutely no sense-- but these kids have no concept of finality or death being reality.
Actually I understand a kid that age wanting to get away from the bullying and torment to that point. My life was hell in school and hell at home so I could definitely relate.
I read that this was not uncommon. They had a 4 yr old that took amonia the bottle with the x and knew it was poison and drank the whole bottle! No one knows if he was being bullied at school. I have this idea that the reason has some thingto do with school. They put so much pressure on these kids. My little 6 yr old 1st grader has homework everynight. Not only addition and subtraction but they are doing work of 3rd graders. Push push push. I pray that this little kid was doing something he may have seen on TV and it was an accident. The coroner said there was no signs of abuse. We shall see.
I have learned tht the only way to stop bullies is to threaten to sue the parents and the school and have an attorney write that letter.
Our kids need to be protected at school and if they let this go on you need to do something right now before something does happen.
I was always small and got picked on but I also had 6 brothers and had learned how to street fight . Maybe some lessons in boxing for your 9 yr old? Karate?
Sadly, Sometimes death looks better than life.
I realize that this may be veering slightly off topic here, but seriously...
Call your lawyer and threaten to SUE the parents for a schoolyard bullying? And people wonder why our society is so screwed up.
Bigger/stronger/meaner kids will bully weaker/smaller/gentler kids. That's life. That's ALWAYS been life. That isn't some product of the degeneration of modern day society. Its been a fact of life for as long as history has been recorded. It is an intrinsic part of human nature. It also tends to sort itself out in the long run, or at least it has done so traditionally. Eventually the weaker kid will grow some backbone and stick up for himself. Or he won't and then he'll be bullied his entire life.
Dealing with bullies and bullying is a fairly important part of the social dynamic amongst children. It develops varying conflict resolution skills that are unlikely to be developed elsewhere at that age, further preparing most youths for dealing with conflicts later in life. Bringing lawyers and lawsuits into the situation is ridiculous and isn't going to teach the 'offended' party any sort of lesson aside from "When someone pisses you off or hurts your feelings, just reach for the phone and call your shyster lawyer to fix it for you. Come on, son, get with the program. You know that our society isn't already litigious enough! Lets throw our hat in the ring and try to milk some cash off of this as well!"
I can understand the need for further adult intervention if the schoolyard bully is waving a knife at your kid or throwing rocks through the windows of your home or something. But standard, run-of-the-mill schoolyard bully stuff? Meh.
I agree that kids need to be protected at school. Protected from abusive teachers. From classroom shootings. From molester janitors. From a tragically flawed educational system that is graduating students that don't know how to read or do simple algebra. But protected from a type of negative social interaction that has been pervasive in society for as long as society has been around? No. That's simply one of those situations that children need to learn to resolve on their own.
Frivolous lawsuits are nothing but paying someone else to do your bullying for you. Its a poor method of conflict resolution that is almost wholly unique to the United States. We're laughed at worldwide for how ridiculously litigious our society is. Its an embarrassment and inflicting it on the social dynamic that children develop as part of growing up is plenty tragic in its own right.
As far as the original topic goes, assuming it was actually a suicide, there wasn't necessarily abuse from any outside party. Some people are just addled by their very nature. I hate to break it to you, but not every child is a precious, innocent little angel. Some people in this world are simply not 'right in the head.' Should/could someone have seen some warning signs here and done something to prevent it? Maybe. Maybe not. Sometimes there AREN'T warning signs. Some people are just screwed up from birth. A 'bad seed', as it were. I have no idea if that was the case here, but it certainly doesn't defy all reason to assume as much.
Last edited by banedon; 01-24-2008 at 09:41 PM.
I found more to the story - in one post someone refers to the kid staying over night at an uncle's house?? Hmmm...
So sad - probably an accident.
these types of things break my heart. at 7 you should be looking forward to long nights when you don't have to go to be early and going to friends houses to play for the day there had to be mental issues that were not noticed in time this is a lesson to all us parents out there to talk to our kids at all cost! when there is no communication there is silent suffering and no way to understand it at 7. may he rest in peace and when he comes back I hope he gets it right the next time.
why else does suicide happen? depression, unaddressed, and untreated. unbelievable as it seems, children, do get depression, they are often misdiagnosed or just fall between the cracks. talk to your kids....
pull the string!
Remove the child from the school! Its not going to stop, from what I experienced at school the only thing that helped was to get the child into a new school where everything was different immediatly! You cannot reason with bullies! I get very distressed by the concept of children killing themselves and the ways in which they do!
Yeah. Because that will teach the kid how to stand up for himself.
Besides which, guess what. The new school isn't going to be any different. Not with a little time. EVERY school has bullies. Its a fact of life. Always has been.
And even if the kid somehow manages to avoid the bully radar at the new school, life is full of them. Bosses. Co-workers. Cops. Father-in-laws. Neighbors. Many child-bullies simply grow up to be bullies in their adult life. That's never going to change. The only thing you're doing by yanking a 'victimized' child out of a school is depriving him/her of the chance to develop the social/physical/psychological skills required to deal with bullies later on in life.
Don't like the kids in your school? Switch schools.
Don't like your pushy boss? Find a new job.
Don't like your loud, drunken neighbor? Buy a new house.
Don't like your patronizing father-in-law? Get a divorce.
Yeah. Because running from your problems and 'starting over' every time you get pushed around by a bully is a great way to live. And people DO live like that. I know a few of them and I certainly wouldn't call them 'happy and well-adjusted.' Running away instead of learning how to deal with conflicts begins a cycle of victimization. A cycle which very rarely ends well once it has begun. The only way to break that cycle (or avoid it to begin with) is to simply not ALLOW yourself to be victimized.
Nine bullies out of ten will back down and move on to easier prey if their target actually shows some backbone and stands up for themselves. I know this from experience, both first and second-hand.
Last edited by banedon; 01-25-2008 at 02:02 AM.
Banedon: I understand where you're coming from, and MOSTLY agree with you.
However -
there are some schools/districts that will NOT do A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G UNLESS they are in possession of
1. Police reprt
2. correspondence from Lawyer
and if that's what it takes to keep my child safe, you bet your A** that I
will do same !!!!
Well I see nothing cool about some brat bully blooding some kids nose.. taking thier lunch money and beating them up. SO our kids should sit back and take this shit until they grow some balls? Screw that. If the schools are not going to protect the kids I sure as hell am. I did just that and you can bet the parents must have gotten the point real fast because those bullies knocked it off. Why should any kid have to put up with that. MAYBE that is the problem with todays society? Oh ignore it it will go away? How many kids does it take to kill themselves over this kind of crap to get people to understand that bullys don't cut it. How many Columbines does it take before we understand that abuse is abuse and that Columbine happened because of bullies? I see no reason why kids need to take a beating or else fight back. Why should they lower themselves to the bullies level? You kind of remind me a neighbor that beat the shit out of his kid because he wouldn't fight back. If it takes me a letter at my own expense, to stop this kind of crap I will do just that. All children have the right to attend school free from violence. I also went a step further Iam trying to get a law passed that if your child is a bully and hurt another kid and age does not matter that parents will be responsible for this kids actions. How does that work for you? Parents have no right to turn a blind eye when they are told that their child is hurting other children. If you raise a bully you pay for the bullies damages.
None of this cost the tax payers one red cent. But it sure as hell cost my grand daughter something emotionaly and I am not going to accept that crap from anyone.
Why should kids have to change their school because of some ill bred brat?
There is nothing "frivolous" about any law suit that is protecting children. You may think that it is ok for children to have to fight their way home from school but I do not. There are 11000 parents up to this date that completely agree with me. They too are sick of these kids that get away with this kind of violence, and of the parents that seem to think it is alright. Broken glasses, chipped teeth, bruises, torn clothing and the worst is the tears that these kids shed and the humiliation that they feel. There are things that kids settle between themselves but violence is not one of them. Little bullies grow up to be big bullies just another breed of abusers.
There's been this rather alarming "trend" amongst the pre-pubescent set, boys in particular, that involves self-asphyxiating (oh my god that is hard to sound out!). There have been quite a few cases in Canada of boys dying while doing it. The thrill is one part sexual (yes, even at that age!), one part being naughty, and one part the sensation of lack of oxygen/blood to the brain. I remember watching a program on W5 or the Fifth Estate about it. It's quite alarming, actually and if it's in Canada, you know it's south of the border. We share so many things, our neurosis being one of them, sadly.
I have had two people I know remove their children from schools due to bullying and they went on to other schools. This was after numerous calls, meetings and so on with administrators at the schools.
Both children have went on to flourish in their new schools and have had not a single problem, so yea, I guess that running away does work.