Anyone know about Thomas Ince? Really intriguing mystery involving Charlie Chaplin and William Randolph Hearst. Leave a post if you're interested
Anyone know about Thomas Ince? Really intriguing mystery involving Charlie Chaplin and William Randolph Hearst. Leave a post if you're interested
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Oh yeah know quite a bit about it...how about William Desmond Taylor??
That's a good one...
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Can you fill me in?
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http://www.themediadrome.com/content...nce_affair.htm
Death Hag
That's the version I've read about.
I have always thought that WRH shot him and he died from that wound, although I am not sure if he died aboard the boat or was taken off still alive. You will notice though (if you research the story) that a lot of strange things happened concerning the people who were on the boat that day, including columnist Louella Parsons and Marion Davies' secretary. His family also did some strange things concerning the death, for instance his wife declined an autopsy. Fascinating stuff!
wow, that is very interesting. it amazes me how the rich and powerful can get away with anything, including murder. and what truly amazes me is the fact that people are smart enought to conspire to such things. then again, i think people were smarter back then, as a whole. people these days could never get away with something like that. they just aren't smart enough.
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I recently caught a movie on cable with Eddie Izzard and Claire Danes called The Cat's Meow that is about this case. Joanna Lumley from Absolutely Fabulous is in it, too. Very well done.
It's too bad that all witnesses are dead now, in a time where we could have probably solved this, and quickly too . . . of course, Randolph-Hearst had such a ridiculous amount of power and money that he could have possibly bought off modern-day people too. I'll have to check out that movie that joplinfrk mentioned, I can't wait! Thanks for the tip
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Hm... Rupert Murdoch much?
Heart's granddaughter is still alive, wonder if she hides any family secrets. That Hearst castle is up on the market it'd make a nice lil love shak lol. Same with superman anyone who knows sumin is dead too.
The Cat's Meow is a good film - I recommend it. Directed by Bogdanovich, starring Edward Herrmann, Kirsten Dunst and with Eddie Izzard as Charlie Chaplin. Basically sticks with the theory that Hearst accidentally shot Ince when he meant to shoot Chaplin, with whom it was widely suspected Davies was having an affair.
That was a good movie. I'd watch Eddie Izzard thaw out a turkey. There's just something about that dude....
Ince still haunts Culver Studios
Yes! The Cat's Meow was really good. One of the best things Izzard and certainly Kirsten Dunst have done. I think the theory put forth in the film holds up too. At least it makes sense. Poor Ince - but thank goodness Chaplin dodged a bullet!
Desmond Taylor murder
There was a terrific book written by Sidney Kirkpatrick based on a diary that well-known director King Vidor had written about the 1922 Desmond Taylor murder titled "A Cast of Killers." Vidor did some great detective work exploring the details of this famous case. As I recall, the Mother of Mary Miles Minter, Catherine Shelby, admitted to Vidor she killed Taylor. He even managed to find the possible murder weapon at one point. The book is well worth reading. When Vidor first got interested in exploring the case, around 1967, demolition crews were destroying the housing complex where Taylor was killed. The trail of evidence was cold as could be because of the passing of time and that studio henchmen had picked through the original crime scene to hide important clues before the police could arrive.
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Didn't Mabel Normand and Mary Miles Minter have something to do with this, or am I thinking of somone else?
Nope, you are correct. The popular version is that Minter's controlling mother was the one that off'd Taylor, because she believed he was having an affair with her daughter.
Normand & Taylor were close friends, how close we could only speculate. Mabel's career was essentially ruined by this scandal, as well as the shooting of her driver a year or so later.
Yeah...that book was terrific. But...there were some factual mistakes and 'leaps in logic'. The witness (actress-can't remember her name lived right next to Taylor) who saw the murderer leaving Taylor's bungalow...said it was a MAN. Later there were rumours that it could have been a woman dressed like a man. And ofcourse that would be Minter's Mom...Mrs. Shelby. I don't believe Minter's Mother did the deed...but she might have had it 'done'. There's so much to the story...Taylor was such a mystery man. I visited the area of where Taylor lived a number of years ago. In the 1920's this area...on ALvarado...was upper class and kinda rich. Now...humm...hardly...the site of where the bungalows stood is still there...but it's mostly a parking lot with a dirty looking 'pak n save' residing there. Near the end of lot...where Taylor's bungalow stood in 1922...you can still retrace the route the murderer took...and...imagine.
Marlow
Thanks for the "A Cast of Killers" book recommend. Just added it to my Amazon wish list.
We saw photos of Ince(rather hot looking) and judging from these - and the fact that he seemed to have all the fish he could handle - we have concluded that he must have had sizeable sizemeat.
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I have read the "A Cast of Killers" twice. That story has always had the aroma of a typical Hollywood Studio cover-up...
Louella Parsons (re: the Ince case) is probably the source of the reason why Paparazzi rock the news, these days, if you see what I mean... (apparently, extortion works, so long as you've got the dirt on anyone...)
The subject of Ince haunting The Culver Studios is really interesting to me. Wouldn't it be cool to hang out there at night and see what happens?
Does anyone have any stories of any hauntings there??
Please share!
Christina in Canada
Wasn't it Edna Purviance?
No...her name was Faith MacLean
MacLean was the wife of actor Douglas Maclean and the couple were neighbors of Taylor. They were startled by a loud noise at 8PM. MacLean went to her front door and came withen about twenty feet of someone emerging from the front door of Taylorâ??s home. She said he was dressed "like my idea of a motion picture burglar."
Was this mystery man the murderer? He was a cool as the other side of pillow though. I've read that he nodded at Mrs. MacLean as headed towards the sidestreet...
Marlow
"All you need to do to make William Randolph Hearst turn white is to mention Tom Ince's name. There's plenty wrong there, but Hearst is to big to touch..."
David Wark Griffith
Pioneer Producer/director
The entire William Desmond Taylor case is crying out for contemporary treatment by some film people well educated in the period. Lots and lots of stories wrapped up in it, involved some of the biggest people in Hollywood at the time directly and touched almost everyone else in town one way or another. I believe that one of the neighbor's who had witnessed someone leaving Taylor's apartment was Edna Purviance, Charlie Chaplin's long time leading lady. Of course, when Chaplin was first taken on at Keystone Studios by Mack Sennett, Mabel Normand was the person who helped him learn how to direct film. Mabel was frequently partnered in films with Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle, whose career was destroyed be an earlier scandal, making the bigwigs in Hollywood make Mabel's life more difficult when she became a person of interest in Taylor's murder. It all goes round and round...
In those days, anyone could be bought.
heh heh
And that is different from today ... how?
I read Marion Davies' bio a few months ago and she talks a little bit about that weekend. She doesn't go into detail about what happened of course.
But, I definitely think something fishy happened on that boat.
The King Vidor book is excellent. William Desmond Taylor is interred at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery under his real name, William Deane Tanner.
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Apperently his granddaughter, Patty, (Heast kidnapping fame) co-wrote a novel about the case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Ince
Patty Hearst co-authored a novel with Cordelia Frances Biddle titled Murder at San Simeon (Scribner, 1996), based upon the death of Ince.
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I have read that book it is indeed a great book.
I always felt sad for king vidor in the book he writes of the demise of his marrage while doing the research.
I've heard the Ince daughters in an interview state that it was all a sensational story. I don't know. It might be another one of those "you just want it to be true so badly that you believe in it" kinda things. That's how I am about the Paul Bern/Sharon Tate apparitions in Jay Sebrings old house but I know others have said it's not true.
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Mary Miles Minter was born in Shreveport, Louisiana, in April of 1902. Some sources give the date as April 25. Miss Minter always gave the date of April 1, which is also the date listed on her death certificate. Her original name was Juliet Reilly, born to J. Homer Reilly and Lily Pearl Miles Reilly. Both parents came from wealthy families. Minter's maternal grandfather was a wealthy doctor, and her maternal grandmother came from a very wealthy southern family of plantation owners. On the Reilly side of the family, the wealth wasn't quite as great, but still sufficient enough that Minter's father did not have to work. In May of 1916, Mary arrived in Santa Barbara, California with her mother, grandmother, and older sister to begin work with the American Film Company. In late 1918, the chance of a lifetime presented Mary Miles Minter a golden opportunity. Mary Pickford had left Paramount, and Adolph Zukor was looking for a replacement. Pickford advised Zukor to sign Mary Miles Minter. With Minter's consistent box office appeal and critical acclaim, she was the logical choice. Charlotte Shelby negotiated a contract for Mary which guaranteed her $1,300,000 over a five-year period for 20 pictures. The first film made under this new contract was Anne of Green Gables (1919), directed by William Desmond Taylor. This film is often regarded as the best film of Minter's career. William Desmond Taylor directed Mary in Judy of Rogue's Harbor, Nurse Marjorie, and Jenny Be Good. Mary developed a great admiration for Taylor while working under his direction, and they became close friends. Minter stated in her own words that she was in love with Taylor and had hoped to marry him. When Charlotte Shelby learned of her daughter's attraction to Taylor, she became hostile. Mary made no more films under Taylor's direction. [Of the Taylor-directed Minter features, only Nurse Marjorie survives, and is being offered to viewers on VHS by Grapevine Video.]Mary's career at Paramount continued, as well as her association with Taylor, whom she still saw on a social basis. Although she never managed to top the success of Anne of Green Gables, her films were making huge profits for Paramount, and her popularity continued to rival that of Mary Pickford, who was by then producing her own films with United Artists.
The William Desmond Taylor Murder Scandal
On Wednesday morning, February 2, 1922, William Desmond Taylor was found shot to death in his Alvarado Court bungalow. His murder was the third major scandal to rock Hollywood, following closely behind the drug-related death of Olive Thomas in 1920, and the Arbuckle scandal of 1921. The press had a field day and presented rumors, exaggerations, and distorted speculations as fact. A love note from Mary was found in Taylor's bungalow, written on her personal stationery. Adela Rogers St. Johns printed a picture of the letter in her gossip column and also stated that night wear and lingerie with the monogrammed initials "MMM" had been found at the scene. There were speculations that Charlotte Shelby killed Taylor in a jealous rage over Mary's attraction to him. Mabel Normand, a friend of Mary's, was the last person known to have held a conversation with Taylor. It was speculated that perhaps she had killed Taylor in jealousy over Mary. Then there was rumor and speculation that perhaps Mary knew more than she was telling. Rumors also circulated that pornographic pictures of various unnamed actresses were found at the scene. The murder of William Desmond Taylor remains unsolved to this day. In the past decade, two books have been published which present different theories on the Taylor murder. The first was published in 1986 and was written by director King Vidor's biographer, Sidney Kirkpatrick. This book was based on notes that King Vidor had made while researching and trying to solve the murder. The Kirkpatrick-Vidor theory is that Charlotte Shelby committed the murder and used much of Mary's money to pay off various Los Angeles District Attorneys. . Before Taylor died, he was trying to drive the drug dealers out of Hollywood. Mabel Normand, a friend of Taylor's, had been having a problem with drug addiction, and Taylor's actions against the drug dealers were motivated by the desire to help Mabel conquer her drug problem. At this late date, it is highly unlikely that we will ever know with 100% certainty who killed William Desmond Taylor and why. What we do know is that Mary Miles Minter was heartbroken for life after this horrible tragedy. She was a victim no matter what theory one believes. Whoever killed Taylor also robbed the world of one of the most delightful actresses in the history of Hollywood.
The Aftermath
When William Desmond Taylor was murdered, Mary Miles Minter had completed 18 of the 20 films called for in her Paramount contract. Four of these films were released after the scandal had broken. The last of these, The Trail of the Lonesome Pine (1923), was acclaimed as the best Minter film since Anne of Green Gables (1919). Although these post-scandal releases did relatively well at the box office, Paramount executives were reluctant to cast Minter in the typical fashion of demure innocence, feeling that her public image was marred by the press to the extent that future such Minter roles would be unbelievable to American audiences. The executives had wanted to try Mary out in the upcoming western The Covered Wagon (1923). Unfortunately, Charlotte Shelby refused to let Mary star in a western role, which she considered inferior. The Covered Wagon was directed by James Cruze and expanded into the first big budget western epic. The role that might have been Mary Miles Minter's turned out to be Lois Wilson's big break.
Instead, Charlotte Shelby insisted that Paramount buy out Mary's contract for $350,000 cash. In June of 1923, Charlotte Shelby and her daughter walked out of Paramount Studios with the check, and Mary Miles Miter never made another film. According to DeWitt Bodeen's research, Mary received offers from UFA and Pathe when she left Paramount. In addition, page 237 in Edward Wagenknecht's "The Movies in the Age of Innocence" states " ... D. W. Griffith ... told the world that if Miss Minter wished to continue her career, there was a place in his company waiting for her." But, the scandal and allegations had taken their toll, and Mary simply wanted out of the public eye.
Post-Career Years
By the mid-1920s, Mary had put on a great deal of weight as she no longer had any incentive to maintain a strict diet once her movie career had ended. She filed a number of lawsuits over mismanagement of her money. She and her sister, Margaret Shelby Fillmore (married briefly to the grandson of former president Millard Fillmore) sued their mother and won substantial settlements. Mary moved to Manhattan, New York, where she remained until 1925 when her beloved grandmother died of cancer. She then moved abroad to Paris, France, until 1929 -- where her mother eventually reconciled and joined with her. In 1932, Charlotte Shelby filed a lawsuit against a stockbroker who lost over $400,000 of Mary's money. The case dragged on in the courts for approximately 30 years before being settled. Throughout the 1930s through the 1950s, Mary embarked on a number of successful business ventures, including an antique business and a real estate partnership with Brandon O. Hildebrandt.
Marriage and Final Years
Shortly after the death of Charlotte Shelby, Miss Minter married Brandon O. Hildebrandt in 1957. Their real estate investments continued to be profitable, maintaining a wealthy lifestyle. Mary's interest in poetry and classic literature continued, and she also developed an interest in numerology and astrology. It was the interest in numerology that prompted the Hildebrandts to change their surname to O'Hildebrandt. They lived happily until Mr. O'Hildebrandt's death in 1965. Although it has been stated that Miss Minter became very reclusive and refused to discuss her movie career, she changed her attitude toward her past film career in the late 1960s, and was willing to discuss it. Professor and film historian David Bradley screened The Ghost of Rosy Taylor and The Eyes of Julia Deep for Mary in her home in her final years. As previously mentioned, DeWitt Bodeen interviewed her extensively in the late 1960s. In addition, every person this author knows who wrote to Mary in the 1970s and early 1980s received their requested autographs signed as "Mary Miles Minter."
Epilogue
In 1981 Mary Miles Minter made local headlines for yet another tragedy. She had been brutally beaten and robbed and left for dead in her Adelaide Drive home. A former servant was said to have been directly involved in the crime. Fortunately, Minter recovered from her injuries, in spite of her health problems associated with diabetes.
Mary hand-wrote her last will and testament on August 9, 1983. In this will she stated her wishes to be cremated, with her ashes to be scattered in Santa Monica Bay, near her home. She left various sums to a few associates and friends, with the bulk of her estate (valued at approximately $1,500,000) going to a man named Gilbert A. Chasin, whom she said she loved as a son.
A second will, which was typewritten and dated June 11, 1984, left the entire estate to one Margaret J. Kozma, a neighbor of Minter's. It was alleged that Miss Minter had been coerced into signing this second will when her poor health made her vulnerable to being taken advantage of -- just seven weeks before her death from a stroke and heart attack on August 5, 1984, at the age of 82. This second will was contested by the beneficiaries of the 1983 will, as well as by Joseph Reilly, who was Miss Minter's closest surviving relative.
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Thomas H. Ince
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Thomas H. Ince
Born November 6, 1882(1882-11-06)
Newport, Rhode Island, USA Died November 19, 1924 (aged 42)
Beverly Hills, California, U.S. Spouse(s) Elinor Kershaw (1884 - 1971) Thomas Harper Ince (November 6, 1882 â?? November 19, 1924) was an American silent film actor, director, producer and screenwriter. His brothers, John and Ralph Ince, were also actors and film directors.
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Born in Newport, Rhode Island, Ince invented many mechanisms of professional movie production, like the usage of a detailed "shooting script", which also contained information on who was in the scene, and the "scene plot" which listed all interiors and exteriors, cost control plans and so on. He helped create a standardized and mechanized mode of production. He also was one of the first who had a separate writer, director and cutter (instead of doing everything himself).
In 1910, Ince was director at I.M.P. In 1911, Ince went to work at the New York Motion Picture Company which merged with Universal in 1912. That same year, Ince directed "Studio Inceville" and the Bison 101 movies as projects for Bison Life Motion Pictures.
Working under General Manager Fred J. Balshofer at the California studio/ranch of Bison Motion Pictures division of the New York Motion Picture Company, Ince's movies were mainly early Westerns, which were successful because of their beautiful images and their rhythm. While working with the New York Motion Picture Company, Ince also formed his own company, Kay-Bee Productions[1] Ince wrote a number of screenplays including 1915's The Italian which has been preserved by the United States National Film Registry. Ince also notably boosted cowboy actor William S. Hart as the top western star of his time [2].
In 1915, Ince partnered with D.W. Griffith and Mack Sennett to create the Triangle Motion Picture Company in Culver City, California. In 1918, he sold out to Griffith and Sennett and bought property from Harry Culver and formed the Thomas H. Ince Studios, which were in business from 1919 to 1924. In 1925, Cecil B. Demille acquired the land, renaming it the DeMille Studios. A street in Culver City, intersecting the Culver Studios is called Ince Blvd., in his honor and there is an Ince Theater planned to be constructed in a parking lot adjacent to Ince Blvd. in the near future [3]
[edit] Murder or natural death debate
On November 19, 1924, the silent film producer and 'father of the Western' died, officially of a heart attack suffered while on a weekend boat trip with William Randolph Hearst aboard Hearst's lavish yacht, the Oneida, while attending a cruise in honor of Ince's 42nd birthday. Other prominent guests in attendance were actor Charlie Chaplin, newspaper columnist Louella Parsons, author Elinor Glyn and film actresses Marion Davies, Aileen Pringle, Jacqueline Logan, Seena Owen, Margaret Livingston and Julanne Johnston.
In the years since, several conflicting stories have circulated about Ince's death, often revolving around the claim that Hearst shot Ince in a fit of jealousy (or shot Ince accidentally while fighting with Chaplin over Davies) and used his power and influence to cover up the killing.
A 2001 film directed by Peter Bogdanovich, The Cat's Meow, tells a tale based on these rumors. Bogdanovich claims he heard the story of Ince's death from director Orson Welles who in turn said he heard it from writer Herman J. Mankiewicz. Ince is portrayed in the film by Cary Elwes, William Randolph Hearst is portrayed by Edward Herrmann, Marion Davies is portrayed by Kirsten Dunst, and Charlie Chaplin is portrayed by Eddie Izzard.
Patty Hearst co-authored a novel with Cordelia Frances Biddle titled Murder at San Simeon (Scribner, 1996), based upon the death of Ince.
There's a movie with Kristen Dunst called that Cat's Meow that profiles this scandel. Too bad every freakin video store I go into doesn't have it!
Louella Parsons was also on board...I'm sure Hearst paid her off to print whatever he told her to print.
About the Hollywood celebrity scandal of 1924 involving the mysterious death of filmmaker Thomas Harper Ince after a night on the Hearst yacht.
HISTORIC HOLLYWOOD SCANDALS
The Mysterious Death of Thomas Harper Ince-1924
One of the guests, Elinor Glyn, novelist, screenwriter and social entrepreneur, was outspoken about other Hollywood scandals in her biography but failed to mention this one. Charlie Chaplin also suffered a curious bout of amnesia in his memoirs and claims to have visited Ince on his sickbed two weeks before his death. Margaret Livingston, actress and alleged mistress of Ince, was there, although Marion Davies later denied it upon being asked by Mrs. Ince. Louella Parsons, Hearst reporter, claims that she wasn't even in California at the time, despite the fact that she was seen leaving the United Artists Studio with Chaplin and Davies. Other celebrities and Hearst employees were also on board, specifically Dr. Daniel Carson Goodman, who became a key witness in the shallow investigation that followed Ince's death.
Hearst himself added to the confusion with his own misleading story, published in the Hearst papers immediately after Ince died, with the headline: SPECIAL CAR RUSHES STRICKEN MAN HOME FROM RANCH! This erroneous account had Ince visiting Hearst at his ranch when he fell ill and made no mention of the Oneida party. The Hearst-Ince scandal also briefly made headlines in the Los Angeles Times: MOVIE PRODUCER SHOT ON HEARST YACHT. However, the Times report survived only one edition. Its editors killed it in later editions-an indication of Hearst's far-reaching power.
A thorough investigation and a detailed autopsy could have settled the controversy over Ince's death. But, curiously, Dr. Goodman was the only witness from the Oneida who was summoned when an investigation was finally called. After hearing the testimony of the attending physicians and Dr. Goodman, the San Diego district attorney dismissed the case and closed the investigation, saying that Ince had died from heart failure due to acute indigestion.
With all of the "evidence" reduced to hearsay, the death of Thomas Ince remains a mystery, tainted by overspeculation. Was it simply generosity, people wondered, that prompted Hearst to award Mrs. Ince a trust fund? Louella Parsons was granted a promotion by Hearst (supposedly to keep her quiet), and she went on to become a Hollywood gossip columnist. Chaplin shuttled his pregnant fiancee, Lita Grey, off to Mexico before Ince's funeral, then joined her a few days later to get married.
If it was temporarily forgotten that Ince was a great motion picture producer-director rather than a victim of scandal, Ince had his own subtle revenge. When Mrs. Ince sold their Spanish-style mansion, scene of many "frolicsome weekends" for the Hollywood elite, a secret gallery above the guest rooms was discovered. There Ince had fashioned a series of small peepholes in the floor above the guest rooms. These gave Ince an eyeful of each bedchamber, and while the stars dallied, he was probably admiring the view.
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I know the rumor was that Hearst shot Ince either mistaking him for Charlie Chaplin (who was Marion Davies' lover) or because he caught Ince and Marion Davies in a clinch. Made Louella Parsons career.
interesting.
(how could anyone have an affair with Charlie Chaplin...yuk)
I don't think Marion was having n affair with Charlie but Hearst was sooo jealous of her,if she even looked at anyone he thought she was doing him. I am sure he shot Ince because of that trust fund he set up fopr the guys wife, but he paid everyone off so they all got amneisia.
Charlie was quit the lady's man. always getting the young ones too.
Charlie Chaplin's woman troubles
Charlie Chaplin began in his personal life a recurring, destructive pattern -- he chases (and frequently marries) a young woman, loses interest in her (being consumed by his creative energies), goes through a messy breakup (or divorce), typically impacting his professional life, and then repeats the pattern. In November of that year, his first true love, Hetty Kelly, dies -- although Charlie Chaplin didn't find this out until he visited England in 1921.
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Charlie was, how shall I say this, the John Holmes of the silent era....
I was friends with someone whose father WAS on the yacht when Ince died and was told that, yes, WRH did indeed shoot him-by accident, though. EVERYONE aboard was well taken care of by Hearst after this, including my friend's father who went on to prosper in a prominent position backed by WHR. So I have little doubt that it's true.
yes...there is a huge mansion in Hollywood that WRH built for Mrs. Ince...it's now owned by Scientology folks. AND are you saying Mr. Chaplin had a big Chaplin?
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Tee hee hee....
Do some checking round on the subject-believe me-the information is out there.
I saw the Dunst film and have read about this. I think Hearst thought Ince was Chaplin and shot him in a jealous rage.
Charlie did like them young. Mind you his last wife was Oona O'Neill. She was 36 years younger than him. They had eight children and presumably a pretty good marriage although she supposedly sacrificed alot. Artistic people require alot from others I think.
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Since my friend essentially wrote about it all some time ago, I suppose I'm not giving away secrets in identifying her as Patte Barham, whose father Frank was on the yacht and who ran (I think) one of the big LA papers for WRH. Patte said her own research and information indicated that WRH had shot Ince during a struggle after he brandished a gun on bursting into the cabin and thinking he was about to catch Marion with Chaplin. There was a struggle and the gun went off and Ince died. Thereafter WRH paid off everyone aboard-I think if I recall Frank Barham quickly was promoted to editor of whatever it was-the LA Chronicle perhaps?
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