Quite mysterious, I do wonder if they are related to the earlier cases.
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OH SNAP!
hookers beware!
edit: oops, wrong section.. please move me
See my post in Poltergeists. This is very near my house and I had an experience with this location a couple of months ago.
Regards,
Mary
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creepy story!
I spoke with a local cop today and he said some of the bodies may have been there more than a year. He also said one of the avenues they are investigating was the Med Student from Boston that was killing hookers. He has since committed suicide.Originally Posted by Jason
I also asked him if it was really a coincidence canine training on Saturday that located the body or were they looking there on purpose?
He gave me a no comment on that one.
Very creepy indeed!
The map below kind of let's you see where this happened. We are directly across from Gilgo Beach. Well it won't let me associate the map. But it is close to us.
Regards,
Mary
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yeah, I remember the craigslist killer... but this seems like something entirely different. That must have been the dead hookers giving off that unpleasant vibe. Hope they nip this one in the bud quick.
Thank you for the info Mary and please be careful, someone very dangerous is lurking about.
I think the cops have him in their sights. He owns a house there at Oak Beach and there is a 911 call and she was running from house to house while on the call for 20 some minutes.
Someone should be canned over it and the people living there should be ashamed for not helping her or also calling the police.
A man and woman were arguing after the restaurant across the street from us closed one night this past summer.
He put his hands on her and we let her in until the cops came to sort it out. I can't imagine not doing that for someone.
What is wrong with people.
Regards,
Mary
Oh good I am so glad they have someone in their sights. I can't believe they had her on the phone for 20 minutes. All of the people that didn't help her should be ashamed and I can't imagine that either.
Joel Rifkin, serial killer of 17 prostitutes, dismissive of sloppy tactics of L.I. maniac
DANNEMORA, N.Y. - Long Island serial killer Joel Rifkin says he's not impressed by the fiendish handiwork of a murderer who dumped the bodies of four women near Oak Beach.
With the air of a veteran schooling an amateur, Rifkin said the sicko being hunted by cops and the FBI should never have left all the corpses in one place.
"I dumped them hundreds of miles apart," Rifkin proudly told the Daily News Wednesday in a 70-minute interview at the upstate prison where he will spend the rest of his life.
Rifkin killed 17 prostitutes in a four-year spree - and took pains to dispose of the bodies.
His victims were scattered in rivers and wooded areas from the east end of Long Island to upstate. Three were never found.
In Oak Beach, four decomposing bodies were found within a quarter-mile area just off a remote highway - and cops believe one killer is responsible.
Rifkin suggested the killer was sloppy for picking a single dumping ground because it alerted cops to the likelihood of a serial killer and brought more heat to the case.
Rifkin, who once lived in East Meadow, L.I., said he was always more frightened about dumping his bodies than strangling or dismembering his victims.
"I was surprised I didn't get caught sooner," said Rifkin, who was busted in 1993 with his final victim's body in the back of his mother's pickup truck.
He said his arrest was the result of "a 25-cent mistake" - a missing license plate.
Rifkin, 51, said cops looking for the Oak Beach killer should probably focus on white men, aged 18 to 45, but acknowledged the magnitude of that challenge.
"That's like half the country," he said.
The Daily News front pages told the story after Joel Rifkin was caught (Daily News).
He speculated that the suspect would have shared some of his experiences: growing up lonely in the suburbs, being mocked and bullied, grappling with anger.
"America breeds serial killers," Rifkin said. "You don't see any from Europe."
Police have not identified the Oak Beach victims, but they are investigating possible links to two missing hookers - which did not surprise Rifkin.
He said prostitutes are obvious targets for serial slayers.
"No family," he explained, occasionally breaking into laughter as he discussed his bloody history. "They can be gone six or eight months, and no one is looking."
The two missing women in the Suffolk County probe advertised their services on craigslist, which didn't exist when Rifkin was hunting for victims.
He focused on anonymous street hookers, not expensive escorts.
"Girls advertise for $1,000 a night - most guys who are serial killers can't afford that," Rifkin said.
Hookers made for easy targets because they were often on their backs, making it easy to overpower them, Rifkin recounted as cartoons played on the visiting room TV.
He said he paid the prostitutes as much for their temporary friendship as for sex - and never just to kill them.
"I became addicted to sex and companionship," said Rifkin, a long, gray ponytail hanging down his back.
There was no sentimentality as he described what he did to the women after they were beaten and strangled. "You carve 'em like a turkey," he said.
He said the slayings were a "primal urge" that he justified by reminding himself the women were drug-addicted hookers with no self-respect.
Rifkin says he regrets his rampage, but he sounded bizarrely nostalgic as he spoke about how much easier it was to kill his in his day.
He said technology like GPS in cell phones has given police a tremendous advantage in tracking victims.
Law enforcement is a lot more sophisticated now than it was when he was picking up prostitutes in Manhattan and spreading their remains across nine counties.
"They pull up the Jane Does and compare notes," he said.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c...#ixzz18KHMmx7V
His mother's pick up truck? He said he got caught because his license plate fell off--Noooooooo, you got pulled over because it fell off, You got caught because your car smelled like rotting corpse.
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Who knew? Even serial killers have standards.
I guess Rifkin felt the new guy was making the rest of them look bad. Can't have that.
this is interesting to me because this is more detailed talk from a serial killer. so straight up. crazy mind!
Looked for this but couldn't find it. I caught a bit of this on the news and being that I was originally from that area, was interested. Apparently 4 female bodies (possibly prostitutes) have been found in a remote area in an exclusive gated community. Yesterday, a HS friend called me out of the blue to inform me that my HS bf of 6 years was being questioned! It seems the bodies were found across from his home and his jeep was taken to the crime lab and FBI searched his home. The whole thing gave me the chills because one of my main reasons for breaking up with him was his stalker like possessiveness. I remember having to hold him back from many a fight back in the day. I know that those things are a big leap from murder, but it makes me wonder if I have some sort of obligation to let police know. I am happily married and live out of state far away from this but I really don't know what, if anything, I should do. Any thoughts, advice? Hubby says I should only come forward if he is arrested.
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Whoa! That's crazy! I agree with your Husband.
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There is another thread on this subject,Kat. This is across the bay from me and we used to frequent this area by boat and wanted to buy one of the homes. I posted in the poltergeist thread on what happened with all that but the area has some serious ugly vibes now.
We loved the area but avoid it now. on't even fish from our boat there anymore.
So you knew Joe Brewer? A local cop here in Seaford said he is definately a person of interest but they can only connect him to a specific prostitute and her body was not there or at least located yet.
Hey I am sure they would appreciate any tip you give them. It is all grist for the mill.
Regards,
Mary
I saw the thread right after I posted. Yes, I did know him. We dated on and off for 6 years during HS and afterward. He asked me to marry him in fact. Suffice it to say, I had many reasons for saying no and ending it for good. For my own sake, I would really like to believe it is not him, but so far nothing that has come to light looks very favorable toward him. I read that he owns and lived in the house at the time of the incident with the Craiglist prostitute in May, but several months ago moved into another home owned by family. The timing of the move disturbs me. I will check out your poltergeist post.
I thought I would post this update. They identified one of the bodies as a Maine woman. She was always in the running as one of the bodies.
Here is the article. It sounds like they are close on the other three.
http://hauppauge.patch.com/articles/...o-beach-bodies
I know I promised to go over there and snap some pictures but it has done nothing but snow here and it is just a white field of snow.
I am trying to wait until it is bare ground so that you can see some geographic location features like the foliage and the height and density of the growth and how shockingly close to the road this was.
we are expecting up to a foot of additional snow Friday so figure maybe May for the pictures LOL.
Regards,
Mary
I'll just bet there are more bodies laying around.
Reecy if you saw the area it is a narrow spit of land. It has a divided highway running down the center with about 100 feet comprising the median in most places and if you are headed North ( I think??) you would have maybe 1/4 mile of scrub and beach down to the ocean on your right. On your left is between 100 yards and 1/4 mile of marshland to the Great South Bay. No where on the road are you out of sight of water on either side of you. There are several over pass bridges you drive over with water running under it that permit boats to traverse the area.I'll just bet there are more bodies laying around.
In only a couple of spots are there small clusters of beach homes some on the ocean side and some in different places on the bay side. There are long stretches with just scrub foliage, and dunes dropping down to the national seashore on the ocean side and wide expanses of squishy marshland that floods at high tide on the bay side. Much of the dune and marshland is posted to keep people off of the fragile foliage to prevent beach and dune erosion and to protect nesting birds like Plovers etc. There are raised wooden walkways over the foliage and through the dunes to the water to provide beach access with out damaging the area. That means little foot traffic to discover any bodies. The bodies were dumped from a car and were found around 50 to 100 feet from the road. That is amazing to me.
They did spend weeks searching with cadaver dogs working from South to North to the Robert Moses Bridge at the end of the parkway. There could well be additional bodies there but given that these were just wrapped in burlap ( the cops are hyperfocused on that fact) and dumped close to the car I doubt that there are more surface carcasses around.
If you go out there very late at night there is nobody around. Even in the summer the beaches close at a certain hour and other than people in the few summer houses and anchored on boats in the bay there is nobody out there.
I will go out and take pictures as soon as the weather gives me something to take pictures of other than snow banks.
Regards,
Mary
The identified the rest of the bodies.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/25/...ex.html?hpt=T1
All prostitutes, all working on Craig's list!
Regards,
Mary
Sister of Long Island Killer victim received obscene calls from her murdered sibling's mobile phone in days following her disappearance
The teenage sister of one of four prostitutes found slain on New York's Long Island received a half-dozen obscene calls from the victim's mobile phone in the six weeks after she disappeared in 2009, her family claim.
Melissa Barthelemy's sister, Amanda, who was then 15, got the first call from an unidentified man a few days after Barthelemy was last seen in New York City on July 12, 2009, said their mother, Lynn, and her fiance, Jeff Martina.
They said the last call came on August 26, soon after they told an upstate TV station about the calls.
Victims: The bodies of Amber Lynn Costello, 27, (top left), Megan Waterman (top right), Melissa Barthelemy, 24, (bottom left) and Maureen Brainer-Barnes, 25 were all found on a Long Island beach. It has now been revealed obscene phone calls were made on Miss Barthelemy's mobile phone to the dead woman's sister after her disappearance
The pair say that police advised them not to reveal the contents of the calls, which they described as crude and 'horrible'.
A law enforcement official said the caller referred to Barthelemy in the first call as a 'whore'.
The bodies of Barthelemy and three other prostitutes were found dumped on a desolate stretch of beachfront on Long Island last month. Police officials suspect the slayings were the work of a serial killer. They have not specified yet how the women were killed.
On Monday, Suffolk County officials identified Barthelemy's body and those of two other women, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, of Connecticut, and Amber Lynn Costello, of New York state. The body of Megan Waterman, of Maine, was identified last week.
Barthelemy, 24, a trained hair stylist, moved to New York City in 2007, worked at a barber shop and was later hired as an exotic dancer, her mother said. She said the family didn't realise until after her disappearance that she had turned to prostitution.
'We were upset, but she's still our daughter and she's a wonderful person,' Lynn Barthelemy said.
Serial killer? The bodies of all four women were found within yards of each other in Long Island and may have been dumped several months apart
'Melissa was a good girl and somebody manipulated her into doing this and scared her.'
Barthelemy had dreams of returning to Buffalo and opening a hair salon, and she was happily anticipating a visit from her little sister the weekend after she vanished.
'I mean, thank God this didn't happen when (Amanda) got there - I mean, I could have lost both of my daughters,' their mother said.
'We want to get justice. And we'd like to get it out there to these girls that are working in that type of profession, don't think you can't go home to your parents because there's something called unconditional love. You can go home no matter what happens.'
Barthelemy had a very loving family who were in constant contact with her, and she was working as an escort 'to supplement her income from hairstyling to pay her rent', said the family's lawyer, Steven Cohen.
'She wasn't in it for very long. She was not heavily entrenched in this lifestyle,' he said.
Barthelemy's family faulted the police for delaying the initial search for her. But New York City police said they had begun to track her cell phone signal within a week of her being reported missing.
Grim discovery: The location where the bodies were found on Oak Beach, Long Island
'Missing persons launched an intensive investigation as soon as they received the case,' a police spokesman said.
Police tracked the signal to midtown Manhattan and searched areas near Pennsylvania Station and the Port Authority bus terminal, but the signal went dead, according to another official
Later, cell phone records obtained through a court order showed a call to her voicemail was made in Massapequa, a hamlet not far from where her body was found, on the day she went missing, the official said.
Investigators canvassed nearby hotels, restaurants and the beachfront. Later, detectives gave Barthelemy's toothbrush to the Suffolk County police in the hope of identifying her, and eventually turned the thick case file over to the police department there.
They also discovered another phone once belonging to Barthelemy and tracked it to a convict who said he picked up the phone after she dropped it in a fight with another woman.
Authorities in New York also located Barthelemy's pimp, who corroborated the man's story, saying he had ordered the other woman to fight Barthelemy because he was upset she had been seeking clients on her own, the official said.
It is interesting that the family receiving the calls said the police upstate were useless and nothing happened until the Suffolk country, NY state police and the FBI got involved.
I think these victims did not get the attention they deserved in the early time line when they went missing.
I am sure their profession played a roll in how the local police viewed them in the sleepy towns upstate and out of state.
I hope they get justice soon. They are at least finally getting funerals.
Regards,
Mary
They found another body Monday.
That makes five total at this point. They started looking against Monday after a Marine Constable driving through the area saw something in the brush as he was driving.
They called off the search after finding this body because of rain and they will resume after the area throughly drys out (dogs more effective.
They were hoping this was the young woman who was running from door to door last fall begging for help in the little beach enclave but now it seems not to be so. She was not seen again and was not among the four bodies recovered.
I personally think there may well be more bodies out there.
I hope they catch the guy. Even though it seems to be all Craig's List prostitutes that were killed it is still unnerving to have a serial killer dumping ground a couple of miles from your house.
http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/...sing-nj-woman/
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...and&id=7999337
Regards,
Mary
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Hey Mary buy a big doggie!
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"I will be buried in a spring loaded casket filled with confetti, and a future archaeologist will have one awesome day at work."
I have 4 useless cats!
I would love a big old Rotty for sure. I am assuming this guy would be long gone by now or it is the homeowner that was having the girls brought out to party. If you look up further in the thread Katspjs dated the main guy they seem to suspect. My mechanic's wife knew the guy from coming into the bar where she worked here in Seaford and she said he was really, really creepy especially with the younger women.
Regards,
Mary
Bump
Three more bodies discovered bringing the total to eight and counting as of today.
They are all along the same area and this guy basically just rolled them out of his car into the brush. These are protected dune and beach grass areas so he had no worry of Federal or State workers mowing finding them because they aren't allowed to mow it.
I hate to be gross but if someone leaves so much as a fish head or a dead crab out on the dock I have a million seagulls diving and screaming and fighting over it. I can't believe they didn't attract a mass of carrion birds. Also people bike out to the beach out there all the time and they should have noticed the smell it seems. Even the police patrol on bikes and horses etc. Also you can surf fish all night out there with a proper permit and nobody saw anything at least eight times.
Wild! They still haven't matched up the remains with the last woman who went screaming from house to house begging for help and then disappeared into the dunes.
I hope they catch the person or persons who did this. It has ruined the idea of boating or driving in one of our favorite areas and wrecked the lives of several families.
Maybe a mod can update the title to something like 8 dead and counting on Long Island Beach Area.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/04/...ex.html?hpt=T2
Regards,
Mary
Last edited by STsFirstmate; 04-04-2011 at 03:12 PM.
Mary-
What's the story on the screaming woman who went house-to-house??
Thanks, Rhonda
This is my understanding of the event from both what I have read and two different cops, one NYPD and one a Nassau County cop. Bear in mind that the bodies were discovered in Suffolk County which abuts Nassau county so closely that the county line is at the crime scene and they are extending the search into Nassau today weather permitting.
In the early hours of the morning in May around 4 am Shannon Gilbert was running from house to house banging on doors and begging for help. This is a small strip of houses in the middle of dunes and beach. No businesses no traffic passing by and this is not the sort of place where someone bangs on your door at an odd hour.
Several people got out of bed and answered the door but she had moved on to another house. A couple of residents called the police. One resident did get to the door in time and he and his wife let her in. She was pretty incoherent and begging them to protect her from people trying to kill her ( shades of the kid who escaped from Jeffry Dhamer only to be returned to him by the cops). The people also called the police and tried to calm her down while they waited. Meanwhile they reported a black car ( New York slang for a Limo) pulled up and Shannon bolted out of the house into the dunes never to be seen again. The man in the house went out to confront the limo driver about the woman and to tell him the police were on their way. He described the driver as a Hispanic male in his 40s. He apologized for the woman disturbing them and said he had been paid to drive her to and from New Jersey and she had gotten high and drunk at a party and became hysterical and paranoid. He then drove off in the direction she ran to wards with a guy named Joseph Brewer, the home owner where she was partying.
The police showed up and spoke with both the driver and the home owner but Shannon could not be located.
That was the end of that, Shannan Gilbert, a sex worker from New Jersey who advertised as an escort on Craig's List was never seen again.
Shannan had an interested family and they filed a missing person's report within a week.
Nothing happened for months. Her family became frustrated and contacted a friend of a friend who was an NYPD cop. He reached out to Suffolk County Police and (I am told by the NYPD cop I know ) they blew him off and he went to the NY State Police. They leaned on Suffolk County and finally in December a Suffolk County detective reinterviewed the people and began walking the area where she disappeared and in less than 20 minutes found the first four bodies.
Shannan's remains have not been located yet and it is easy for them to tell because she has a steel plate in her jaw from previous surgery.
Some of the women identified were never even reported missing by family and friends. They were sad throw away people but Shannan, whatever her flaws had a family that loved her and wouldn't let it go or they still would not have discovered these bodies.
This is now the most prolific serial killer in NY history since Son of Sam and folks I don't think they have discovered all the bodies and this thing is far from over in my opinion.
Regards,
Mary
http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/...t-dont-matter/
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Hey Mary, I thought of you this morning when I saw an update on the news. The Today Show had Pat Brown on, a former police Profiler, and she said that the person probably lives nearby. The interviewer asked about officials considering a former law enforcement person as the killer, but she said it's a possibility, but not definite.
My aunt and uncle live not too far away in Lindenhurst, and my uncle is former NYPD. I'll have to ask his thoughts on the case.
I'm surprised young women are still putting ads of this type on Craigslist. It never seems to end well.
Last edited by Katrinawitch; 04-11-2011 at 06:39 AM.
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I thought of Mary when I saw this on the news last night. I hope they catch this person soon. I wonder what the killer is thinking about all the media attention.
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Child's body found
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/11...ew-york-beach/#
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This changes the whole ballgame! We all felt reasonably safe because it seemed he specialized in out of state sex workers. Introducing a child to mix leands some credance to the snuff film rumors making the rounds here.
I also shatteres some of the illusion that this guy or guys specializes in sex workers from elsewhere exclusively.
The article I am linking in this post makes reference to possible law enforcement knowledge and the fact that the killer used the victims cell phone to taunt the victims family in a serious of calls after her murder.
He wa smart enough to do it from crowded Manhattan locations like Penn Station where a look at the security videos would show hundreds ot thousands of people, many of them on cell phones.
and oh yeah, the burlap they are wrapped in, I never connected it to clamming but when I go to Freeport to buy bain clams there are stacks of wet burlaps bags full of clams. Each one could likely hold a body. I never made the connection until this article.
This is getting scarier all the time.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20052698.shtml
regards,
Mary
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Sounds to me like somebody is on a roll and in the middle of a spree. Hope they catch him soon.
I am a sick puppy....woof woof!!!
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I was watching Faux News yesterday and they are now saying he could be a member or ex-member of law enforcement due to some of the things they are noticing on/about/with the bodies. They stated he definately had some form of law enforcement training. This matches with what Kat was saying about her ex above thread, doesn't it?
Does anyone know anything else? This is getting really spooky. Kate, there are rumors of a snuff-film business?
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39
A child! I still think they're on the right path though. Maybe the killer was "experimenting" or trying to throw them off after finding the first four bodies. I hope they catch them soon!
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Or the child be be totally unrelated - a different crime altogether.
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This is true. If this is indeed a great dumping ground (no one to check up and mow etc...), this crime could possibly be unrelated. If I lived in that neighborhood, I would move...
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39
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Even so...that land is cursed. I wouldn't want to live there. Especially after what STsFirst said about visiting there.
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It may be that this is now a very safe neighborhood. Police from several jurisdictions are involved, and I would imagine that residents are in a high state of alert. People are hopefully being more vigilant and are being more careful about locking up their houses and cars.
This is an area where lots of folks don'tlock their doors historically.
I am still mystified how this could go undiscovered for 18 months ( age of the last body)
We power washed out docks yesterday getting ready for the season. This left us with Barnacles floating in the water and some scrapped up in a pile on land. There were hundreds of gulls there in no time.
Also if I didn't have my guys shovel up what was left a couple of days even in these moderate temps much less summer you could not imagine the the smell we would be dealing with.
The furthest body from the road was 75 feet. There are an estimated 6 million visitors to Jones Beach that use this road not to count the Robert Moses State Park on the other end and Gilgo Beach as well. So conservatively I would say 13 to 16 million people travel this stretch of road. On a summer morning in August you can expect to sit in a line, stopped on this road in your car for as long as an hour waiting to get into one of several beach parking lots. The smell and the gulls etc should have been unbearable. I just don't get it!
We had one dead swan wedged under a floating dock last year and the smell was unbearable until we found and removed it.
Even wrapped in Burlap it still would have been just awful.
They have had the area closed with checkpoints and residents need to show IDs at night while the search continues. I suspect they are afraid any remaining bodies might end up being moved.
In a couple of weeks is the annual beach clean up. We all go out in boats and the DOE provides a garbage barge by the bar and grill across the street from us. We all load out boats with bags and people and we just head out to clean the beaches and marshland. Everyone comes back with bags of trash and tires and even old appliances etc. I heard this year they are handing out an evidence watch list with instructions and they will have a cop at the barge sifting through what is unloaded.
The bar then has a big party and buffet and a good time is had by all. I am sure I will get an earful from everyone this year about the murders.
I will share every unsubstantiated bit I get LOL.
regards,
Mary
Last edited by STsFirstmate; 04-11-2011 at 10:58 AM.
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IMHO the child's body isn't by the same person.
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So does the child/infant make the 8th body or 9th?
Thanks for the heads up, Mary. I'm still trying to picture all of this in my mind, but like you, I can't wrap my head around why no one smelled the stench and investigated or called someone. I can picture these fairly well to do people sitting on their patios in the nice spring weather and having to put up with this smell.
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39
You could be right but the three bodies, including the child were all grouped within 100 yards of each other but stranger things have happened.
Regards,
Mary
More than that 12 to 13 million people drove past them within 75 feet of furthest body as close as 25 feet to the closest ( the one the cop spotted from his car a couple of weeks ago ..I find this odd and hard to believe by the way).
Tourists sit in lines right next to where the body was dumped for hours and people by the thousands rode their bikes by it within feet of the bodies.
The child keeps it at 8. The child was one of the last three bodies found as I understand it.
Regards,
Mary
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Could they possibly say if the bodies had been moved from a previous burial site to this one only recently? I would assume the bodies are old enough that the smell would be mostly gone by now. And the way they were just thrown there?
No smell, this close to the road (where they SHOULD have been seen long before now) makes me think the SK got jumpy about where he had them before and moved them to here.
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39
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Maybe one of the women was the mother of the child and he/she was killed just because they were there.
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Early on the police were clear it was a "dump site" and they were killed elsewhere but they never said if they could tell how much time elapsed between when they were killed and when they were dumped. I am not sure how they even forensically tell that. Do they check the vegetation under the sack vs the amount of decomp etc?
In terms of seeing the bodies. It is very tough thick thorny undergrowth. Apparently even the cadaver dogs basically said screw this and wouldn't attempt to penetrate it. The police cadets they had searching had big trouble with deer ticks and scratches. This is all sand and protected erosion zones so no mowing and no walking permitted.
I would bet you that you can't see clearly once something is 10 feet off the road. Unless they have changed their tune, the oldest body was estimated to have been there 18 months. They have never given a date for the most recent ones that I have heard.
Regards,
Mary
Last edited by STsFirstmate; 04-11-2011 at 11:58 AM.
My neighbor just banged on my door to tell me they have found what appears to be more bodies today on their first day of searching in Nassau County. This is like a bad dream.
They ruled out some animal bones earlier today but they have some they are pretty sure are human.
This is a story just posted on the NBC New York affiliate website.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...119589259.html
I am traveling most of this week and hate leaving my better haf here alone now. Silly I suppose.
Regards,
Mary
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