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    James M. Moore



    The victim, James M. Moore was a white male, 8 years of age, born July 27th, 1984, who died of multiple traumatic injuries to the head, torso, and extremities with drowning. He was found in a drainage ditch, drowned in 2ft of water, near the bodies of two other 8-year-old male victims. He was found completely nude, with his wrists bound to his ankles by shoelaces.



    Time of Death Estimates

    The Coroner's report completed by Mr. Kent Hale states that lividity (the red discoloration in the skin caused by the pooling and settling of the blood within the blood vessels) was present. It also states that the lividity blanched with pressure. Lividity begins about thirty minutes after death has occurred. After 4 or 5 hours, dependent on environmental conditions, lividity fixes and will not blanche. It takes about 8 to 10 hours for lividity to become fixed. This could place the time of death (which can only be given as a range) of James Moore at sometime after daybreak on May 6th, 1993. However it is only one biological indicator, and no one indicator should be used to determine the time of death.

    When Dr. Peretti conducted his autopsy of James M. Moore, on May 7th, 1993, he stated that 'Rigor was present and fixed to an equal degree in all extremities.' The time that the autopsy was conducted is not noted on the report, therefore is difficult to gauge how far the body was into rigor. However, Dr. Peretti was confident that Rigor was evenly present throughout the extremities, and that he made no mention of any dissolution. As a general guideline, Rigor reaches full even distribution within 12 to 24 hours after death. Also as a general guideline, Rigor begins to disappear within 12 hours after that, at which time decomposition begins. Again, by itself, the use of Rigor Mortis to determine a time of death, or a time range of death, is not advised. Several biological indicators should be used.



    As the above suggests, a time of death of any kind is very difficult to estimate given the differences in metabolic processes between individuals, given varying individual anatomy, and given varying environmental factors. The presentation and stages of Rigor Mortis and/ or Livor Mortis (lividity) used to make such estimations are not absolute, and should be treated as guidelines, not hard and fast biological principals to be blanketly generalized from case to case.



    Wound Pattern Analysis

    This victim received more traumatic head injuries than any of the other victims in this case. Dr. Peretti states that defense wounds were present on the victim's hands. These wounds were very few, indicating that victim was incapacitated quickly after the attack began. So the nature of these head injuries, and the limited defensive type wounds, combine to indicate sudden, forceful, and repeated blows that resulted in abraded contusions, multiple lacerations, and multiple skull fractures.



    There is an unexplained directional pattern abrasion just below the victim's right anterior shoulder area.



    This unexplained injury does not correspond with any of the physical evidence collected at the location that victim was discovered. It is furthermore inconsistent with any of the naturally occurring elements that exist in that environment. The best conclusion that this examiner can reach is that this pattern abrasion was created by forceful, directional contact with something that was not found at that crime scene, whether it be a weapon, a surface or something else capable of creating that pattern.



    The shoelace ligatures used to restrain this victim did not leave deep furrows, and also did not leave abrasions. This indicates that the victim was not struggling while the ligatures were in place. This indicates further that the victim was very much unconscious when the ligatures were affixed to his wrists and ankles.



    We know that the victim drowned, that is to say that hemorrhagic edema fluid was present in the victim's lungs, indicating that the victim was breathing when he was placed into the 2ft of water in the drainage ditch at Robin Hood Hills.



    Together, these facts suggest that the purpose of the ligatures in this victim's case was to keep the victim from moving around or being able to swim should he regain consciousness once he had been thrown into the water. It is this examiners opinion that the assailant in this case demonstrated all manner of awareness and cognizance at this location. The assailant knew that this victim was not dead when they threw this victim into the water, and that the ligatures would assist to complete the act of deliberate homicide should the victim become conscious.



    Sexual Assault/ Rape Indicators

    The victim in this case does not show any signs consistent with sexual assault or rape. As Dr. Peretti's examination concluded, no sperm were present in any of the orifices, no injuries were detected on or at the victim's genitals and an examination of the victim's anus revealed no injuries in the mucosal surfaces, which are very tender and sensitive.



    Mr. Hale in his Coroner's report states that the victim may have been sexually assaulted. That is not a helpful statement. What may have occurred is not at issue. It is more accurate to state, after a full examination, that there is no evidence of sexual assault. It further important to note that sperm evidence, along with many other types of physical transfer evidence, would have been washed away when the victim was placed in the water. So a determination of whether or not a rape or sexual assault occurred is not always possible under these conditions.



    It is also important to note that though the victim's anus was dilated, this by itself does not indicate or suggest anal penetration. The anus is a sphincter; a muscle which is tight and closed in most living individuals, and always open and dilated in deceased individuals. When someone dies their anus relaxes and dilates. The presence of a dilated anus taken to indicate sexual assault or rape is a very common misinterpretation made by untrained individuals when examining those who have met with violent death.



    Lack Of Injuries

    When compared to the other two victims in this case, who were found at the same location, bound nude with shoelace ligatures in the same fashion, the most striking discrepancy is the lack of injuries suffered by this victim. In the crime scene and autopsy photos made available to this examiner, there were no readily discernible bite marks visible, the genitals have not been visibly disturbed or molested, and there are no discernible stab wounds. This lack of attention is very telling, and will be discussed in the Offender Characteristics section of this report.



    There is again a lack of evidence to support any sort of strangulation. Dr. Peretti states that his examination of the neck of this victim revealed no injuries, and the photos that this examiner has seen support that conclusion.



    There is also, again, a lack of mosquito bites to this victim, which, as mentioned earlier, suggests that he received his injuries elsewhere first. This because the injuries took time to inflict, time during which many mosquito bites would have been received, even after death.



    Recommendations

    It is apparent from the physical evidence in this case that James M. Moore was attacked with sudden, violent force from which he defended himself in only a limited fashion. It cannot be known whether or not this was done before or after his clothes were removed. After the attack, he was unconscious, as it was at this point that he was bound with the shoelace ligatures.



    It is this examiner's recommendation that the clothes of James M. Moore, recovered from the drainage ditch, be re analyzed by experts to determine if bloodstain patterns are evident. If present, they may tell us the nature and angle of blows delivered; if blood is not present, then this could help establish whether or not the victim was wearing clothes when he was attacked.



    Furthermore, the piece of cloth (pictured clutched in the victim's hand at the right), found in this victim's hand at the scene, should be re-examined. This is a very critical piece of physical evidence that has not been fully examined by qualified individuals to determine it's full evidentiary value in this case. The cloth is a potential link from this victim directly to a suspect. Where this victim tore this piece of cloth from is a question that begs answering. And given that it could be physically matched back to the material of origin, this makes its evidentiary value all the greater.



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    Steve E. Branch:

    The following forensic information is taken directly from the official autopsy report filed by Dr. Frank J. Peretti of the Arkansas State Crime Lab, Medical Examiner Division, dated 5-7-93, Case No. ME-330-93 and/ or from The official coroner's report filed by Kent Hale, Crittenden County Coroner, dated 5-6-97.



    The purpose of this section is not to present an all inclusive, detailed account and explanation of every piece of information in these reports, but rather to explore these reports, with the corresponding photos, for consistency, possible omissions, and to review injuries or patterns that this examiner deemed to be significant to the case.



    The victim, Steve E. Branch, was a white male, 8 years of age, born Nov. 26th, 1984, who died of multiple traumatic injuries to the head, torso, and extremities with drowning. He was found in a drainage ditch, drowned in 2 ft of water, near the bodies of two other 8-year-old male victims. He was found completely nude, with his wrists bound to his ankles by shoelaces.



    Time Of Death Estimates

    The Coroner's report completed by Mr. Kent Hale states that lividity (the red discoloration in the skin caused by the pooling and settling of the blood within the blood vessels) was present. It also states that the lividity blanched with pressure. Lividity begins about thirty minutes after death has occurred. After 4 or 5 hours, dependent on environmental conditions, lividity fixes and will not blanche. It takes about 8 to 10 hours for lividity to become fixed. This could place the time of death (which can only be given as a range) of Steve Branch at sometime after daybreak on May 6th, 1993. However it is only one biological indicator, and no one indicator should be used to determine the time of death.



    The Coroner's report, completed by Mr. Kent Hale, further states that Rigor Mortis (the chemical process of the exhaustion of ATP in muscle tissue, which begins after death, that results in the stiffening or contracting of muscles in the body) was present, but that it was difficult to assess due to the way the victim was bound. As a general biological guideline, Rigor Mortis begins about 2 to 4 hours after death. And full Rigor Mortis is complete about 8 to 12 hours after death. Cold slows Rigor Mortis down, and heat speeds the process up.



    When Dr. Peretti conducted his autopsy of Steve E. Branch, on May 7th, 1993, he stated that 'Rigor was present and fixed to an equal degree in all extremities.' The time that the autopsy was conducted is not noted on the report, therefore is difficult to gauge how far the body was into rigor. However, Dr. Peretti was confident that Rigor was evenly present throughout the extremities, and that he made no mention of any dissolution. As a general guideline, Rigor reaches full even distribution within 12 to 24 hours after death. Also as a general guideline, Rigor begins to disappear within 12 hours after that, at which time decomposition begins. Again, by itself, the use of Rigor Mortis to determine a time of death, or a time range of death, is not advised. Several biological indicators should be used.



    As the above suggests, a time of death of any kind is very difficult to estimate given the differences in metabolic processes between individuals, given varying individual anatomy, and given varying environmental factors. The presentation and stages of Rigor Mortis and/ or Livor Mortis (lividity) used to make such estimations are not absolute, and should be treated as guidelines, not hard and fast biological principals to be blanketly generalized from case to case.



    Wound Pattern Analysis

    There are numerous violent, traumatic injuries to this victim's face and head, as well as numerous superficial scratches, abrasions, and contusions noted throughout the rest of his body. Dr. Peretti, however, does not note the presence of extensive defensive wounds.



    This indicates a violent, overpowering attack on this victim that he was unable to put up resistance against. The constellation of wounds are very similar to those inflicted on James Moore, however they are much more intense and include the victim's face.



    This level of attention paid to the victim's face, in terms of depersonalization and rage, is indicative of familiarity and that will be explored later on in this report.

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    Chris M. Byers:


    The victim, Chris M. Byers, was a white male, 8 years of age, born June 23rd, 1984, who died of multiple traumatic injuries to the head, as well as the violent removal of his penis, the scrotal sac, and the testes, and associated cuts and stab wounds to the genital area. This victim was found in a drainage ditch, in 2? ft of water, near the bodies of two other 8-year-old male victims. He was found completely nude, with his wrists bound to his ankles by shoelaces.



    It should be noted that this victim's injuries were the most extensive, most violent, and most overtly sexual of the all the victims in this case. The nature and extent of this victim's wounds indicate that the assailant spent the most time with this victim.



    Additionally, this victim's toxicology report revealed non-therapeutic levels of carbamazepine in the blood. All of these differences are very important, and will be explored in the later sections of this report.


    There are numerous violent, traumatic injuries to this victim's head, specifically to the base of the skull. There was also evidence of the violent emasculation of the victim's sex organs, extensive lacerations and bruising to the victim's buttocks, as well as numerous superficial scratches, abrasions, and contusions noted throughout the rest of his body. Dr. Peretti also noted that there were numerous healed injuries of varying nature on this victim. Dr. Peretti, however, did not note the presence of defensive wounds.


    This knife was used not only to inflict multiple stabbing and cutting injuries to the victim's inner thighs and genital area, it was used in the emasculation process. There is, unmentioned in either the ME's or Coroner's reports, what appears to be a clear impression of the knife handle on the right side of the large gaping defect left behind after the removal of the victims penis, scrotal sac, and testes. This was impression was created when the knife was thrust full length into the victim by the assailant, during the process of emasculation. This indicates forceful, violent thrusts. The nature of this emasculation, as indicated by these wounds, is neither skilled nor practiced. It was a rageful, careless, but purposeful act carried out in anger.


    It is the opinion of this examiner that this injury would have resulted in massive, uncontrollable blood-loss, from which the victim could not have survived without immediate medical attention.

    It should also be pointed out that the nature of the stab wounds inflicted on the victim's genital area, separate from those received during the emasculation process, show marked irregular configuration and pulling of the skin. This indicates that either the knife was being twisted as the assailant stabbed the victim, or that the victim was moving as the blade was withdrawn.



    As stated by Mark Byers, the step-father of Chris Byers, to Det. Brian Ridge of the West Memphis PD during a formal police interview dated 5-19-93, Mark Byers gave Chris '2 or 3 licks,' described as a spanking with his belt in front of Melissa Byers shortly before his disappearance. There are only three sets of injuries in Chris Byers' buttock area noted by Dr. Peretti in the official autopsy report that would seem to be the result of this spanking. Dr. Peretti does not venture to explain which of those three sets of injuries are the result of the spanking delivered by Mark Byers.



    The first set of injuries is described as faint contusions on the surface of the right buttocks (not pictured). These injuries could be consistent with the parental whipping given to Chris Byers by Mark Byers.



    The second set of injuries is described as five superficial cutting wounds on the left buttock (pictured on the left in this photo at the right). It should be noted that these injuries are actually lacerations, as indicated by the bridging between the open tissue, and the irregular edges. Both indicators are apparent upon close examination of the photographs. It is the opinion of this examiner that this set of injuries is most consistent with the parental whipping given to Chris Byers by Mark Byers. It is further the opinion of this examiner that after having received this set of injuries, which tore open the skin and would have resulted in some severe bleeding, the victim would have been unable to walk or ride a bicycle without incredible pain and discomfort.



    The third set of injuries is the multiple linear superficial interrupted cuts on the right buttock region (pictured in the photo above on the right). These injuries are not consistent with having been made by a belt as they are cuts. The edges are not irregular, and the cuts are interrupted, again indicating movement by the victim or the assailant during the attack.



    Furthermore, there is the existence of bruised ovoid compression injuries all over this victim's inner thigh that could be suction type bite marks. Since the ME may have missed this crucial evidence, other areas of his body may show bite mark evidence as well. The autopsy photos of this victim supplied to this examiner were not of sufficient quality to make an absolute determination of any kind, and would require a thorough examination by a qualified forensic odontologist for an informed, conclusive analysis.



    Bite mark evidence is very important in any criminal case because it demonstrates behavior and lends itself to individuation. It can reveal to an examiner who committed the act, because bite marks can be as unique as fingerprints and positively identify a suspect. And, once established, it also reveals the act itself; biting. The shoelace ligatures used to restrain this victim did leave deep furrows, and also did leave patterned abrasions on both the wrists and ankles. This indicates that the victim was struggling while the ligatures were in place. This indicates further that the victim was very much conscious before or after the ligatures were affixed to his wrists and ankles.



    We know that this victim did not drown, that is to say that no hemorrhagic edema fluid was present in the victim's lungs, or well in the victim's mouth. This indicates that the victim was already dead when he was placed into the 2? ft of water in the drainage ditch at Robin Hood Hills. This is, again, very different from the other two victims in this case.



    On a final note, Mr. Hale states in his supplemental report on Chris Byers that there is a stab wound on his head. This is actually incorrect, and rectified by Dr. Peretti who states in his autopsy report of Chris Byers that the same injury is a 1-inch laceration to the left parietal scalp.



    Sexual Assault/ Rape Indicators

    As Dr. Peretti's examination concluded, no sperm were present in any of the orifices. There were also no apparent injuries to the anus. However the victim was brutally emasculated, and shows some evidence of bite mark injury on the inside of his thighs. This victim was sexually assaulted, and the attack on this victim was highly sexual in its nature.



    There are, however, no clear indications of rape (that is, forceful penetration). It is also important to note that though the victim's anus was dilated, this by itself does not indicate or suggest anal penetration. The anus is a sphincter; a muscle which is tight and closed in most living individuals, and always open and dilated in deceased individuals. When someone dies their anus relaxes and dilates. The presence of a dilated anus taken to indicate sexual assault or rape is a very common misinterpretation made by untrained individuals when examining those who have met with violent death.


    Additionally, unlike Steve Branch, there is no overkill present in this victim's face. That is to say that this is another of the marked differences between the killings of Steve Branch and Chris Byers which is very important to note, and which will be explored more thoroughly in this report.

    Recommendations

    It is apparent from the physical evidence in this case that Chris M. Byers was attacked with sudden, violent force from which he defended himself in only a limited fashion. It appears as though this attack took place, at least in part, while his cloths were off and while the shoelace ligatures restrained him. He was sexually assaulted (an assault of a sexual nature, to areas of the body considered to be sexual, that does not include sexual penetration), and associated stab wounds indicate that he may have been conscious during several phases of the attack.

    There is also evidence to suggest previous, but recent, physical abuse of Chris Byers. Given the use of corporal punishment by the father, Mark Byers, and given the healed injuries noted by Dr. Peretti, and the extent of the injuries to Chris Byers buttocks, this possibility should be thoroughly investigated.

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    very intresting read!!! Did they ever find Chris penis??

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    Thanks, Lisa - this is a great read.
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    Thise poor kids, especially Chris - who was tortured and mutilated.

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    chris never actually lost his penis, it was skinned~ & they didn't find the skin~ i think the defenses claims now that animals made these injuries is just crazy & grasping for straws~ especially the turtle theory that they are throwing out now, that some how turtles removed these bodies from the water, made the injuries & then put the boys back into the water is like WTF?!?!?!?!?!!??!!~

    in 3 dayS it will be 15 years since these poor boys were murdered i would like to take this moment to...
    REMEMBER~
    MICHAEL MOORE, whose father has become a friend to me & one helluva gumbo chef winning 1st place this year in arkansas
    CHRISTOPHER BYERS, let's add a prayer for his step-father john mark byers whom we all know from the docu's who is having stage III cancer surgery as we speak
    STEVIE BRANCH whose family is in need of prayer right now that they can all find their way back to ea other~

    BLESS YOU BOYS, you are gone, but live in our hearts FOREVER!!!~
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    Thanks for the info, LisaMarie. Still shocking, all these years later. It just seems impossible that Chris wasn't murdered by someone who knew him... so much time and passionate violence spent on him specifically. I dunno, I guess we'll all only know on judgement day.

    Poor little boys... sounds like Chris' life was rough enough before all of this.

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    I know it bothers me as well...the part where they say there would have been a lot of screaming as the knife was twisted or he was moving when the knife was thrust in. They must have been terrified. I am unsure of who did this ...what do you guys think??? Do they have right people..I mean I hear there i DNA eveidence liks the three boys locked up..but then there is all this talk about the stepfather??? I dont get it I thought they were certain thses boys did it???

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    This case fascinates me. I cannot believe the defendants are on death row while there are so many wholes in the case.

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    Thats what I mean...there are a ton of people who point one way and a ton that point the other!!!!

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    Echols is currently seeking new trial with the results of a DNA Status Report filed on July 17, 2007, which concluded "none of the genetic material recovered at the scene of the crimes was attributable to Mr. Echols, Echols co-defendant, Jason Baldwin, or defendant Jessie Misskelley. . . . [a]lthough most of the genetic material recovered from the scene was attributable to the victims of the offenses, some of it cannot be attributed to either the victims or the defendants." [DNA Status Report, July 17, 2007]"[3]
    Advanced DNA and other strong scientific evidence - combined with additional evidence from several different witnesses and experts - released in October 2007 has significantly strengthened the case for Mr. Echols' innocence. A hearing on a his petition for a writ of habeas corpus is pending in the Federal District Court for the Eastern District of Arkansas. ...what about this stuff????? Im lost because a lot of you are 100% they did it...what abot information like this??? They say DNA dosent match....Im confused did these boys do it or not????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisamarie View Post
    Echols is currently seeking new trial with the results of a DNA Status Report filed on July 17, 2007, which concluded "none of the genetic material recovered at the scene of the crimes was attributable to Mr. Echols, Echols co-defendant, Jason Baldwin, or defendant Jessie Misskelley. . . . [a]lthough most of the genetic material recovered from the scene was attributable to the victims of the offenses, some of it cannot be attributed to either the victims or the defendants." [DNA Status Report, July 17, 2007]"[3]
    Advanced DNA and other strong scientific evidence - combined with additional evidence from several different witnesses and experts - released in October 2007 has significantly strengthened the case for Mr. Echols' innocence. A hearing on a his petition for a writ of habeas corpus is pending in the Federal District Court for the Eastern District of Arkansas. ...what about this stuff????? Im lost because a lot of you are 100% they did it...what abot information like this??? They say DNA dosent match....Im confused did these boys do it or not????
    Start at page 1 of this thread and read on...GODDESS6 has posted A LOT of great info on this case!

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    thanx aries you know i lurve ya!!!~

    i have to say the new dna evidence DOES NOT exclude the 3 involved & as for jessie so-called forced confession, he confessed 2 more times after being convicted, once on the way to prison where he went into greater detail w/ the cops who were driving them there~ he also is the one who knew about the ear pulling of the boys, this had never been released~ yeah he got a FEW things wrong, but he isn't the brightest & was drunk on a bottle of evan williams while they were doing these murders (police found the empty bottle right were jessie said he threw it on his way home from robin hood hills) the other 2 drunk on beer, in the docu's you see jason & damien laffing about if they get out, they aren't drinking no more beer~, none of their alibi's were true either~

    the original step-father (JMB) theory has been cleared & he exonorated~ now he is the one pretty much blaming the other father (terry hobbs) now, but there is no proof~ he even tried to tape phone calls between ea other trying to get the new "scapegoat" to say something & or incriminate himself which he hasn't & he has an alibi~

    tho the trial was flawed somewhat, i won't dispute that~, the docu's provided just a miniscule to what really happened~ & the 2nd docu was sorta circus like~
    didn't anyone notice none of the parents except for john mark byers participated in it's filming?~ that's because they new it wasn't all being shown & was becoming supporter driven~ if you go to the site which a link i provided earlier in this thread you can read ALL the court documents & look at pictures about the case~ it isn't a site devoted to supporters or non-supporters either way, it just let's you read the facts~

    & i re-read damien's book lately & in there nowhere does he claim "i am innocent" as many of us would if being unjustly convicted~ it mostly is a whoa is me look at his life, & he talks about how fat & ugly everyone is around him, which i find funny, bucuz he was a little chubber when arrested~

    i know deep in my heart they have the right 3~

    just want to add that there is turmoil in the supporter camp right now, damien's "wife"<<<lol is the head of the WM3 defense fund~ but the other 2 boys involved are getting nothing, she is funneling all the monies for damien & leaving the other 2 out to dry~ it's the WM3, not the damien fund~ i don't give a shit if damien is the only one on death row, they are ALL the WM3~

    & as for natalie maines recently jumping on board, don't let that fool ya, she recently said that she hadn't actually read anything on the case, just been told by a friend of a friend of a...well you get the picture~
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    The more I read the more it sound like maybe these are the right people in jail...and then there are doubts..I juts dont know. I mean on one hand you can go with the crazy ass stepfathers blaming eachother and on the other the mentally unstable three susbects that were odd to say the least. I just dont know what to think about this case....I blame the cops for not handeling the case the right way. I also must say the stepfather maybe is not guilty of this crime but he is guilty of something!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by motherogod View Post
    Thanks for the info, LisaMarie. Still shocking, all these years later. It just seems impossible that Chris wasn't murdered by someone who knew him... so much time and passionate violence spent on him specifically. I dunno, I guess we'll all only know on judgement day.

    Poor little boys... sounds like Chris' life was rough enough before all of this.
    To me perfectly honest (and please don't think I'm trying to make light of this case), but I always think of the movie "Stand By Me" when reading about this case. 3 kids up against 3 young adults vs 4 kids up against 4 young adults.

    My first take was that Chris was possibly "mouthier" than the other 2 (a la Chris Chambers in SBM) and that's why he got the worst of it. Not that the murderers necessarily knew the kids.

    LisaMarie - I, too, have trouble with the evidence pointing to these guys. However, I will say this is not a case I'm completely "up" on. My heart says that Damien and his friends were "scapegoated" because he/they were different. But my mind says there is too much evidence to think they didn't do it. I'll defer to Goddess. She seems to know more about the case than anyone else here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SheBoss View Post
    To me perfectly honest (and please don't think I'm trying to make light of this case), but I always think of the movie "Stand By Me" when reading about this case. 3 kids up against 3 young adults vs 4 kids up against 4 young adults.

    My first take was that Chris was possibly "mouthier" than the other 2 (a la Chris Chambers in SBM) and that's why he got the worst of it. Not that the murderers necessarily knew the kids.

    LisaMarie - I, too, have trouble with the evidence pointing to these guys. However, I will say this is not a case I'm completely "up" on. My heart says that Damien and his friends were "scapegoated" because he/they were different. But my mind says there is too much evidence to think they didn't do it. I'll defer to Goddess. She seems to know more about the case than anyone else here.
    I never thought about that. But it is a good comparison to what might have happened.

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    Yeah I wondered why the viloence and sexual assualt was all the worst for him!! Thats what makes me think it coulde have been the stepfather...maybe he had been haveing thoughts like that for a long time..and he had just spanked the kid..and then I say to myself yeah but he admitted spanking the kid and to me if you had something to hide your would not admitt to that, or maybe you would... Then I also think of the older kids against the younger kids thing as well.....like was this just a frenzied attack?? Was this personal??...Was this kid just sick and demented and just took his rage out on this boy?? Was the stepfather sick ....did he possibly live with this kid and the rage built and built.....and I mean living together seeing him nude or maybe sleeping that type of thing ..I just dont know......the police can get nothing right...they fuck everything up! I just dont know.

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    Most of all the whole damn thing is just sad.
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    Its beyond sad...and the worst part is the way both the police and the public handled this case.

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    as i posted for the boys a few days ago~ may 5th was when the boys dissappeared, but today may 6th is the day that the parents found out their sons were murdered~

    my thoughts are w/ them today as my thoughts were w/ the boys yeaterday & always~
    god bless~

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    Quote Originally Posted by GODDESS6 View Post





    just want to add that there is turmoil in the supporter camp right now, damien's "wife"<<<lol is the head of the WM3 defense fund~ but the other 2 boys involved are getting nothing, she is funneling all the monies for damien & leaving the other 2 out to dry~ it's the WM3, not the damien fund~ i don't give a shit if damien is the only one on death row, they are ALL the WM3~
    Damien is by far the best looking one & always has been. In my opinion, if not for him, the WM3 would not be such a movement. He knows it. I think probably they all do.

    I've given my opinions so I won't rehash them but I understand being torn - I was all for them getting a new trial for years but the more I learned, the more of the truth I saw. They have the right guys. Some of the stars who were loud supporters have quieted too. I think many people have seen the light.

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    Goddess what books about the murders would you recommend?

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    i have read them all including damien's almost home~ you can find them on amazon~ devil's knot is a supporter book as is damien's but i have also read that too~
    the blood of innocents has too many inconsistancies, but i read it also~
    i mostly read stuff from this site
    http://callahan.8k.com/
    it is the most unbiased & updates alot & has alot of photos of people & places involved, not to mention all the court documents~
    it took me weeks to read everything on this site, but it's a good reference place~

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    Quote Originally Posted by GODDESS6 View Post
    as i posted for the boys a few days ago~ may 5th was when the boys dissappeared, but today may 6th is the day that the parents found out their sons were murdered~

    my thoughts are w/ them today as my thoughts were w/ the boys yeaterday & always~
    god bless~

    I just want to say thank you for reminding me to remember the victims. I think it shows what a truly loving person you are to remember those poor boys above all the other stuff going on with the case. It seems like the boys have become an afterthought in this case and I find that sad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GODDESS6 View Post
    i have read them all including damien's almost home~ you can find them on amazon~ devil's knot is a supporter book as is damien's but i have also read that too~
    the blood of innocents has too many inconsistancies, but i read it also~
    i mostly read stuff from this site
    http://callahan.8k.com/
    it is the most unbiased & updates alot & has alot of photos of people & places involved, not to mention all the court documents~
    it took me weeks to read everything on this site, but it's a good reference place~
    I just started reading Devil's Knot, is it even worth finishing? (BTW- I am not a WM3 supporter). Thanks!


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    Quote Originally Posted by smooches27 View Post
    I just started reading Devil's Knot, is it even worth finishing? (BTW- I am not a WM3 supporter). Thanks!
    i read it just because i wanted to read all out there, so it didn't seem like i was making a one-sided decision on who i thought did it~ i wouldn't say it isn't worth reading, mara just has alot of stuff wrong, even the parents have come out & said they were either misquoted or didn't say what she wrote at all~


    i am searching my sources to find a possible link to the news story~

    but on a side note, jessie misskelley's sister, the one you see in the documents, a few years after her brother's conviction, drowned her own baby in the bathtub~ this always freaks me out~ when i think of it~ & i used to have a ready link, but have seem to have lost it, but when i find it i will post about it~
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    i saw this on HBO and they looked guilty to me. one guy even described the crime and how one child tried to run off and was caught and how he said damien(the devil looking one) started "doing it to him" meaning having raping one of the boys. this same guy refused to testify later in court and i believe he was suppose to get a plea deal but after not testifying for the prosecution, the deal was withdrawn. also my boyfriend and i both watched this show and we were like "dang are their any dentists in town"? some of the adults had no teeth. it just looked like they were guilty and when the show first starts, it shows the crime scene. my kids were awake i lied to them when they saw one of the naked dead boys. rigor had set in and the bikes were laying around. that was disturbing for me and the kids.

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    Here's the online version of Damien's book. Some pages have been omitted of course.

    http://books.google.com.au/books?id=...&hl=en#PPA1,M1

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    here's the story of jessie's sister:

    Trial begins today for woman charged with drowning child

    By Jennifer Swain Evening Times Staff Writer The trial of a Marion teenager charged with drowning her infant starts today with jury selection in Crittenden County Circuit Court.
    Susie Barnes is charged with first degree murder in the death of her nine-month-old son, who was drowned in a bathtub at a residence at 48 Flamingo Cove in Marion. Barnes is represented by West Memphis attorney Bart Ziggenhorn. The deputy prosecuting attorney will be Fred Thorne and the presiding judge will be Circuit Judge Ralph Wilson.

    On Friday night March 16, 2001, Marion police and EMTs were called to 48 Flamingo Cove by the homeowner in reference to a baby drowned in a bathtub.

    The homeowner, who was allowing Barnes to stay at her home, admitted police and the EMTs from the Marion Fire Department into the home, where they found the baby unresponsive. The death was later attributed to drowning by the State Medical Examiner's Office in Little Rock.

    Barnes, who was 17 at the time of the drowning, was originally charged as a juvenile with manslaughter by the Marion Police Department and transported to the Crittenden County Detention Center. However, later that night, she was transferred to Crittenden Memorial Hospital to be treated for an apparent drug overdose.

    When Barnes made her appearance in juvenile court, the prosecuting attorney's office requested she be charged as an adult with first degree murder, and Barnes was remanded as an adult for trial in Circuit Court on those charges.

    Today's trial will begin with motion hearings in the morning, followed by jury selection starting at 1:30 p.m. at the Crittenden County Courthouse.

    Barnes is the half-sister of convicted teen killer Jessie Misskelley Jr., who is currently serving a life sentence plus 40 years for the slayings of three West Memphis boys in 1993, commonly known as the Robin Hood Hills murders. Jason Baldwin and Damien Echols were also convicted in the deaths of the three boys.

    www.theeveningtimes.com/a...rt1678.txt

    Barnes guilty in drowning of child

    By Renette McCargo Evening Times Staff Writer More tears for Susie Barnes as the Circuit Court Judge Ralph Wilson read her second degree murder conviction.
    While waiting for her sentencing, Barnes wailed, "Momma. I didn't hurt by my baby. I didn't hurt my baby."

    She was permitted to sit with her family and play with her young child in court while jurors deliberated on her sentence of 15 years. Jurors had the option sentencing Barnes to five to 20 years, a $15,000 fine or both.

    "When we put our case on, she showed very little emotion," prosecuting attorney Fred Thorne said.

    Asked if he thought Barnes' outbursts during the last two day influenced the jurors, Thorne said he never questions the integrity of the jury.

    Barnes' oldest child was nine months old when he drowned in a bathtub March 16, 2001.

    He never got to enjoy life Thorne said, but Barnes will serve three to five years and will be able to enjoy rest of her life.

    Jurors also had the option for first degree murder, a class Y felony, which states that a person "knowingly causes the death of a person 14 years of age or younger at the time the murder was committed," or second degree murder, a class B felony, which states a person "knowingly causes the death of another person under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life."

    Jurors would not comment after the trial as to why they chose the latter.

    after looking at her on the arkansas inmate search, it's not the sister you see in the docu talking w/ jessie, but one of the younger ones shown when that sing "happy birthday" to jessie outside, but here she is in jail~:

    http://www.arkansas.gov/doc/inmate_i...ex=b&agetype=1
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    OMG!!!! I hate this awful evil girl with a passion!!! How could you do that??? She sure looks the part ! And to think she will be out in no time!!!! with her other kid and of course she has another kid!!! God another fine example of our system fucking up!! Kill your kid get out in no time...no doubt she is on welfare and has more than one babydaddys and by her intresting tatoo choices we can tell what type they are! Let her get hit by a bus before she has another kid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GODDESS6 View Post
    here's the story of jessie's sister:


    after looking at her on the arkansas inmate search, it's not the sister you see in the docu talking w/ jessie, but one of the younger ones shown when that sing "happy birthday" to jessie outside, but here she is in jail~:

    http://www.arkansas.gov/doc/inmate_i...ex=b&agetype=1
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    ^^^i'm not sure who the names are of, i will see if i can find out~

    am i reading it right about the dates, that she could be paroled in sept of this year?~ if so it really pisses me off that she only gets 15 years, but to only have to serve half~ & my neighbor who got caught selling meth, his 1st time ever being arrested ( i don't agree w/ this either, i know meth is an epidemic but...) gets 45 years?!?!?!?!?~ how can anyone be paroled before their time when they killed especially the victim being a child is unfathomable to me~

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    Quote Originally Posted by GODDESS6 View Post
    ^^^i'm not sure who the names are of, i will see if i can find out~

    am i reading it right about the dates, that she could be paroled in sept of this year?~ if so it really pisses me off that she only gets 15 years, but to only have to serve half~ & my neighbor who got caught selling meth, his 1st time ever being arrested ( i don't agree w/ this either, i know meth is an epidemic but...) gets 45 years?!?!?!?!?~ how can anyone be paroled before their time when they killed especially the victim being a child is unfathomable to me~
    I was wondering the same thing. It does look like she's up for parole 9-11-08 (ironic isn't it). And she killed her 9 month old son? 5 years for murder - how touching.

    BTW - Nice read, Suzanne. Thanks for posting it. Damien had a crappy life - not an excuse (if he did it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SheBoss View Post
    I was wondering the same thing. It does look like she's up for parole 9-11-08 (ironic isn't it). And she killed her 9 month old son? 5 years for murder - how touching.

    BTW - Nice read, Suzanne. Thanks for posting it. Damien had a crappy life - not an excuse (if he did it).
    damien did seem to have somewhat of a rough life, but people living in west memphis, said alot of what he wrote was exagerated, things like them literally living in a tin shack weren't true at all, one of the wm3 sites out there has pics of this so called shack~ it was a poor area, but not a tin shack by any means~
    the whole town seems to be poor, if you google earth it, it is full of low income homes, i think the more wealthy live across the bridge in memphis~

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    Quote Originally Posted by GODDESS6 View Post
    damien did seem to have somewhat of a rough life, but people living in west memphis, said alot of what he wrote was exagerated, things like them literally living in a tin shack weren't true at all, one of the wm3 sites out there has pics of this so called shack~ it was a poor area, but not a tin shack by any means~
    the whole town seems to be poor, if you google earth it, it is full of low income homes, i think the more wealthy live across the bridge in memphis~
    If that's the case, that's bad. Have you seen Memphis lately? With the exception of the homes on Riverside, Memphis is going to the slums quickly!

    I did have to wonder about the exaggeration. His writing style lends me to believe he could "enhance" some things. Does that make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GODDESS6 View Post
    the whole town seems to be poor, if you google earth it, it is full of low income homes, i think the more wealthy live across the bridge in memphis~
    Yeah West Memphis is actually Arkansas & it is very very very poor. Definitely the slums. I knew some kids from Memphis & they say WM is mostly uneducated, but I don't know if that's true. It probably is though.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheBoss View Post
    If that's the case, that's bad. Have you seen Memphis lately? With the exception of the homes on Riverside, Memphis is going to the slums quickly!

    I did have to wonder about the exaggeration. His writing style lends me to believe he could "enhance" some things. Does that make sense?
    The Memphis government is seriously corrupt & that city is overflowing with crime. A lot of the crime has moved east to Jackson which used to be a nice college town.

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    Interesting link about the West Memphis 3 http://www.wm3.org/splash.php and another. http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?s=7304775. This obviously isn't a crime solving board I know , but the stepfather had all his teeth extracted soon after. There were bite marks on the victims. Just a remembered read from somebody who was in Memphis that summer. Many people in the area feel that the stepfather did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanddodger View Post
    Interesting link about the West Memphis 3 http://www.wm3.org/splash.php and another. http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?s=7304775. This obviously isn't a crime solving board I know , but the stepfather had all his teeth extracted soon after. There were bite marks on the victims. Just a remembered read from somebody who was in Memphis that summer. Many people in the area feel that the stepfather did it.
    Not many do anymore. That's been covered a lot in this thread of you want read through it.

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    I'm a firm believer that these boys are innocent. You were all talking about evidence when there is none.

    Taken from a CNN article:

    "We are saying is that there's no credible evidence that links any of these defendants to the crime," said Dennis Riordan, San Francisco-based defense attorney.
    Riordan said a team of seven forensic scientists has reviewed the autopsy results, photographs and trial testimony. As part of a 200-plus page filing, the experts concluded there was no evidence of sexual abuse or any type of satanic killing.
    They also found that the injuries on the bodies of the boys -- which prosecutors called mutilation -- actually were caused by animals after the boys were killed.
    Echols' lawyers maintained that it's not their job to solve the crime, only to show that their client wasn't involved. But the defense team said two hairs found at the crime scene could belong to one of the victim's stepfathers and the man's friend.
    "The new DNA evidence is that one hair that was found in the ligature of the shoelaces that bound Michael Moore is consistent with the DNA of Terry Hobbs, who is the father of Stevie Branch," Lax told CNN.
    He continued: "Another hair that had been found at the crime scene, which had been unidentified for all these years, has just recently been tested. And the DNA on that hair is consistent with the DNA of David Jacoby. David Jacoby is a good friend or was a good friend of Terry Hobbs, and Terry Hobbs was at his house just that afternoon and evening."

    It has also been said that the judges, prosecuters and others involved with this case have built their careers off of it and do not want to admit that they were wrong, losing credibility and damaging their reputations.

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    wow I wonder if these kids are really innocent......I can really see police being the assholes they are ignoring facts because they dont want to admitt they are wrong...happens all the time ..sad but true...I wonder.....soo there really is no sexual abuse afterall, and the mutilation happened becaues of animals??? Is that true??

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    http://www.vimeo.com/1076106?pg=embed&sec=1076106

    Great twenty minute video that explains where the case is today


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    Hearings for the WM3 Scheduled for September
    April 15, 2008


    At 9:30 Tuesday morning the courtroom filled with attorneys and supporters of the West Memphis Three.


    However, by 10:00, just 30 minutes later, the hearing was over and rules were laid out.


    Judge David Burnett started the morning by telling attorneys for both the state and the defense that any further contact with the media would result in contempt of court.


    He also noted that he is ready for the case to be closed once and for all.


    Prosecuting Attorney Brent Davis told the judge that he had just received an amended filing of Damien Echols Act 1780 petition and would need time to review and respond to it.


    Judge Burnett gave Davis 60 days to respond to this motion.


    However, any further motions were given 45 days to be filed and 30 days to be responded to. Those motion include Rule 37 motions being filed by Jessie Misskelley and Jason Baldwin's attorneys.


    Judge Burnett told the lawyers that he wanted all motions filed by May 30th and the State to respond by July 15th.


    While both sides argued that this may not be enough time, the judge stayed firm and told them that this was all of the time they were getting.


    Finally after looking at schedules, hearings for the West Memphis Three motions were scheduled for September 8th through October 3rd.<


    Outside the courtroom attorneys held to the judge's orders and refused comment to the media, but we did get response from those in support.


    Lori Davis, Echols' Wife, told Region 8 News, "I'm happy that it's going. I'm happy that it is finally getting its day in court. Really that's the news from our side, we are just happy to see it moving along."

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    After reading about this case for years (and a lot of the documents that Goddess posted) I am still leaning towards them being innocent.

    At the very least though, I think they deserve a new trial, away from WM, and lay to rest everything.

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    I think they deserve a new trial as well...there are too many unanswered questions and I think the stepfather is shady as hell.

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    why does everyone keep harping on the stepfather?, tho i admit he is hella strange & not the most honest man, he even has a criminal past, he was exonerated & is now pointing the finger at another parent~ which is sad, becuz it is what wm3 supporters have done to him for years~

    again folks go here:
    http://callahan.8k.com/

    read the documents & don't judge just of the documentaries, they were so 1 sided~

    & besides the new testing the defense has presented has been analyzed & it will not get the 3 off, if anything it makes them look more guilty~

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    They have a new trial coming up and I'm sorry Goddess but I COMPLETELY disagree, if the new evidence doesn't get the Damien, Jesse and Daniel out of jail - something is seriously f'd up.

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    nah, they won't~

    here are some tidbits:

    Statement of: Joe Houston Bartoush, Jr.
    Route 2 Box 767 Lakeshore

    DOB **-**-80 ***-****


    On 10-27-92 I was at Lakeshore Trailer Park with Damien Echols when he killed a Black Great Dane. The dog was already sick and he hit the dog in the back of the head. He pulled the intestines out of the dog and started stomping the dog until blood came out of his mouth. He was going to come back later with battery acid so that he could burn the hair and skin off of the dog's head. He had two cat skulls, a dog skull and a rat skull that I already knew about. He kept these skulls in his bedroom at Jack Echols house in Lakeshore. He was trying to make the eyeballs of the dog he killed pop out when he was stomping. Damien had a camoflouge survival knife to cut the guts out of the dog with. This statement was written by Det. Ridge at my request.

    This statement was completed at 2:07 PM on the 14 day of June 1993.

    Witness: Det. B. Ridge
    X Joe Bartoush(Signature of person giving voluntary statement)

    Witness: Hubert B. Bartoush

    the person who said this was jason baldwin's brother~

    "It is DNA evidence - not any other evidence - that must establish aqquittal by compelling evidence. The statute, after all, is designed to permit such testing so that a petitioner can prove his innocence with it's results, not to re-weigh or otherwise re-examine trial evidence. The "other evidence" is as against those results not in service of them. That is to say, it is other evidence of guilt regardless of whether it was introduced at trial. Were it otherwise, as in Echol's limitless interpretation of the phraise, the statute would be nothing more than a vehicle to retry the entire case again, which it certainly is not."

    It's almost as if the DNA results are the only evidence that will be considered.

    And I love this one:

    "The third party admissions in this case inculpate Echols. Whatever disputes he has over their reliability, they cannot be rejected simply because he has a post-homocide, post-appeal, post-rule 37 theory of the case"
    the dna results DO NOT get off the 3~



    i will have more, i have to get my daycare opened up~

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    A statement from a 12 year old boy about Damien allegedly stomping on a dog's head? Really? Show me proof that Echols can manipulate the dogs body so that no blood is found where the body's discovered. I don't see how any of this proves anything. You forget these boy's - Echol's, Baldwin and Miskelley were teenagers at the time this occured. The children's body's were found with no blood at the scene of the crime, none. I mean really how do three teenage boys pull off a crime leaving no physical dna evidence behind?

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    have you read the 500 documents on callahan's?, there was evidence left~ alleles from from one of the wm3 were found on one of the boys penis'~ the wm3 had plenty of time to wash off the banks of the water filled ditch~ & the trenchcoats that they were wearing, which they wore constantly, were never found, they just dissappeared~ coincidence?, i think not~
    was it planned i don't think so~ we all know damien has been disturbed for some time, drinking blood & wanting to sacrifice his 1st born w/ his ex deanna holcombe, not domini teer as shown as his current girlfriend in the docu's~ jessie said he was wrestling in another town, there was no such match~ jason said at one point he & damien were at his uncle's mowing the lawn, again the story falls apart as does damien's alibi~ damien's polygraph was just posted on callahan's~ it was a crime of convenience~ the knife they found behind jason trailer is exactly like the knife damien's ex girlfriend deanna said he carried~ i could go on & on & on~ & i have in past posts, feel free to read back so i don't have to retype~
    unless you have gone over extensively & looked at the evidence of which more & more have been posted~ i haven't forgotten their ages, the victims or the wm3, actually jessie celebrated his 33rd birthday last week~
    we can agree to disagree on this~ that is fine w/ me~ i don't let people disagreeing w/ me ruin my day~
    i am involved w/ folks who deal w/ this case everyday & have spent months & years reading everything, talking to victims parents, supporters & nons~ this is just my opinion, in my head & heart~ they won't go free~ the documentaries, showed so little of the actual trial & witnesses, they really come off so one sided it is sad~

    & doesn't anyone find it funny that the only time you hear from damien's "wife" is when she is AGAIN asking for money?, as she is driving around in her escalade?~ otherwise, you don't hear a friggin' peep~
    sad, sad, sad~

    obtw, nice to meet ya, onekindsistah, you're posts to me are so kind~

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