Caylee Anthony

[seurtoFW]

Why not? As far as I know none of the jury are members here. FAD members are off limits, everyone else is fair game, unless what is said breaks other forum rules.

I never said he couldn't have his opinion; everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm just offended that 12 people who came up with an unpopular verdict are now considered idiots. They are not idiots. I never said I didn't believe Casey didn't have anything to do with it. I agree she more than likely did, you can check all my other posts. I'm just saying these folks discussed they evidence they were presented and made the only decision they could agree on.

How could they decide - from the evidence presented - that Casey committed child abuse? Maybe George or Cindy did it - they would be guilty child abuse,but they weren't on trial.

There is a reason the judge gives them 5+ pages of instructions.

I'm just saying it is a whole lot easier to Monday morning quarterback than play on Sunday.

[darlingmissmarple]

Yep. And don't forget Zeneida Gonzalez' civil suit and Roy Kronk should also sue for defamation. Plus the I'm sure Judge Perry will agree with the State's request to make her pay for the investigator's wasted time & money looking for a child she knew was dead, but repeatedly denied.

At least she'll have to do a lot of interviews before being ahead in the money dept.

I had also thought, "well, good luck ever finding a job. Even porn doesn't want you now." But a girl at worked said she bets Baez or someone on the defense will hire her. Maybe. Until she starts stealing from them.

If for no other reason, why would an employer want to hire someone who lies with such ease? Add that to her theft and can you imagine a worse emplyee?

[Mammy]

Paulination, I agree with the points you made. Even if the jury believed that Caylee's death was accidental, that still shouldn't have earned Casey an acquittal. She should have still been found guilty of child abuse. I will have to learn to accept their decision, but I will never agree with it.

I saw where the juror Jennifer Ford has a criminal record. I wasn't aware that someone with a record could serve on a jury. Are they so hard up for jurors that they will settle for whoever fills a seat? I'm sure the defense thought she was perfect since her and Casey both have dishonesty in common.

[cindyt]

I never said he couldn't have his opinion; everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Yes, you did.

I take offense at the fact of you or anyone else calling the Jurors idiots. They are not idiots; they are people just like you and me. They did the best they could with what they had to work with.

[Bassetlover09]

I never said he couldn't have his opinion; everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm just offended that 12 people who came up with an unpopular verdict are now considered idiots. They are not idiots. I never said I didn't believe Casey didn't have anything to do with it. I agree she more than likely did, you can check all my other posts. I'm just saying these folks discussed they evidence they were presented and made the only decision they could agree on.

How could they decide - from the evidence presented - that Casey committed child abuse? Maybe George or Cindy did it - they would be guilty child abuse,but they weren't on trial.

There is a reason the judge gives them 5+ pages of instructions.

I'm just saying it is a whole lot easier to Monday morning quarterback than play on Sunday.

The jury's decision was idiotic. This piece of scum at the very least had something to do with the death. How could a jury overlook the facts of the case-at the very least-the not reporting her missing, lying over and over, the smell of death in her trunk, the computer searches...I mean, c'mon now.

[lvrgirl64]

I am just watching Dr. Drew talking to Jesse Grund. He is talking about how Lee Anthony was molesting Casey. The way he is talking tonite is that it was when Caylee was first born and him (Jesse) was at the house with Casey and Caylee and Lee was so angry towards Jesse and didn't want anything to do with Caylee, was very angry. When Jesse asked Casey what was going on Jesse said that he had to pry it out of Casey who finally said that she didn't want Lee around the baby because "he tried to have sex with her". Jesse said he was so shocked, angry and disgusted by the whole thing.
Now that kind of makes sense because remember Lee on the stand?? He was saying how he was angry and "put out" about Casey being pregnant ect...
So now the picture fits in my mind a bit better!

[Tiffany]

Yes lvrgirl, Lee was only pissed as we now know because he was not included in the birth of Caylee.

what about comics using Casey Anthony in their material?? That is advertising her correct???

[lvrgirl64]

The jury's decision was idiotic. This piece of scum at the very least had something to do with the death. How could a jury overlook the facts of the case-at the very least-the not reporting her missing, lying over and over, the smell of death in her trunk, the computer searches...I mean, c'mon now.

And that Juror #3 said "it made her too sick to her stomach to look at the evidence!" ....ugh....! I guess she also said that there was no cause of death so they "couldn't convict her". Well that is B.S. because they could have convicted her of child abuse at the least for not telling anyone for 31 days that she was missing! (and everything else as you mention!) Plus I remember them debating that on HLN during the trial about the fact that there "was no cause of death" and the experts were saying (I think it was Judge Alex) that he has many many times done murder trials with no cause of death and people were convicted!! He must have always got jurors "using their common sense!" to put it nicely!

[dia846]

Casey tells numerous lies, and I think she poisoned the mind of Jesse Grund with her falsehoods about her family. Always "woe is me, feel sorry for me" with Casey. I can't believe he still thinks she is an honest person and believes what she said.

I read that Jesse Grund (with his dad constantly by his side prompting him for all of his many news interviews) plans to sue the Anthony's for ruining his life.

[lvrgirl64]

Yes lvrgirl, Lee was only pissed as we now know because he was not included in the birth of Caylee.

what about comics using Casey Anthony in their material?? That is advertising her correct???

Oic, kk, I think that is advertising with the comics. She has also been contacted by some adult magazine that wants her to pose...... sickening eh?

@Dia; true- I noticed his Dad there. Thought it was kind of odd being that he wasn't that involved as Jesse.

[lvrgirl64]

Lightning strikes near Caylee Memorial site

A tall tree in the same area where Caylee Marie Anthony's remains were found was struck by lightning this afternoon â?? just hours after her mother learned she would be released from jail next week.

I saw that!! That is really something!!

[cjw]

I have 2 things to add...

1. I heart Paulination. We are kindred spirits as I adore every single one of your posts and agree completely.
2. Casey is a murderous slut who should have not only been convicted, but fried for what she did to her baby.

That is all.

[Aries65]

I wonder how many talk shows will pay to interview Casey and hear her lies over and over again?

It just makes me sick to think about the money she possibly will get that will be "wasted" to pay her for those interested in hearing her lie...

[seurtoFW]

Yes, you did.

I respectfully disagree. I did not say Paulination couldn't have an opinion. I said I was offended (personally) by Pauli or anyone else saying that these 12 people were idiots. That is his opinion and he can have it; I just don't agree with it. In my PERSONAL opinion, it is rude and uncalled to disparage anyone in that way.

One of the reasons I love this forum is everyone has their opinions and 99% of the time everyone accepts the other's opinions. I apparently have a very unpopular opinion right now, but that's OK. I know everyone realizes this is MY opinion.

[lvrgirl64]

Its not. I was wrong. But real question here is: Can Tim Miller still sue- Even though Casey & family did not have a contract ?

I don't think he sued but Casey has to pay him/them back $112,000 for the search they did because she said in her defense that Caylee had drowned therefore "knowing she was not going to be found by Equisearch"
I saw some other money Casey has to pay back to (not sure for what) not cheque forging I don't think and it was about another 4,000.
I was glad to hear that she will at least make less money than she would have from whatever these book offers ect.. give her.

P.S. Not sure if it was answered but Juror #3 has a criminal record but wasn't in jail with Casey.

[dia846]

Just saw on CNN that Casey Anthony will be released a week from Sunday, July 17th, instead of Wed., July 13th. Apparently the release date was calculated wrong.

[deanfan]

Just saw on CNN that Casey Anthony will be released a week from Sunday, July 17th, instead of Wed., July 13th. Apparently the release date was calculated wrong.

I "thought" I heard that too. Glad to know I wasn't hearing things.

[sierrarose]

spouses,co-workers,family know who the jurors are. hopefully the jurors will know the most bitter meaning of ostracism.

Please let's not go there. These people made a decision-it's obviously not a popular one but they are the ones that listened to all the testimony and spent several hours discussing the case. They are the ones that spent several weeks sequestered from their lives A few of them are speaking out and the decision they came to was not easy for them. At the very least, these people should be able to transition back to their lives and not be penalized by anyone.

[Mammy]

Casey also owes over $60,000 in back taxes for 2008 where she was being paid for interviews and licensing photos and didn't pay taxes on it. She may worm her way out of paying some of the people who are suing her, but the IRS is one bunch she doesn't want to fuck with. She would serve more prison time for tax evasion than murdering someone, which is pretty sad.

[dia846]

Please let's not go there. These people made a decision-it's obviously not a popular one but they are the ones that listened to all the testimony and spent several hours discussing the case. They are the ones that spent several weeks sequestered from their lives A few of them are speaking out and the decision they came to was not easy for them. At the very least, these people should be able to transition back to their lives and not be penalized by anyone.

It wasn't a popular decision with me, as I don't think they spent much time going through everything in that short amount of time. However, I understand and respect your post. You are right - they need to be left alone.

[tazzboy]

Lightning strikes near Caylee Memorial site

A tall tree in the same area where Caylee Marie Anthony's remains were found was struck by lightning this afternoon â?? just hours after her mother learned she would be released from jail next week.

Eerie...Someone's not happy somewhere out there!

Too bad Casey wasn't there when that happen.

[sierrarose]

I have long respected Dr. Drew but I was bothered by his interview tonight with Jesse Grund. He had Jesse repeat his allegation that her brother Lee tried to grope her at some point. They ended on that note. I don't know if Lee tried to molest his sister or not but I find it kind of amazing that of all the lies that Casey has told, the media suddenly finds her credible on this one point. In court, the one member of her family that she seemed emotionally responsive to was her brother Lee. She did not show him the hostility she showed her parents. That does not jibe with her being victimized by him. Dr. Drew is a very smart man but sometimes he bugs me when he tries to draw conclusions on people he has not met (like he did with Brad Pitt & Angelina Jolie). I realize it is a minor point in the scope of the entire situation but I just had to get that out there.

[Alanwench]

OMG! I just heard that Casey is on the front of the Enquirer stating that she's pregnant because of a "jail romance."

[Djen]

OMG! I just heard that Casey is on the front of the Enquirer stating that she's pregnant because of a "jail romance."

Heaven help us all if it's true...

[neilmpenny]

I never said he couldn't have his opinion; everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm just offended that 12 people who came up with an unpopular verdict are now considered idiots. They are not idiots. I never said I didn't believe Casey didn't have anything to do with it. I agree she more than likely did, you can check all my other posts. I'm just saying these folks discussed they evidence they were presented and made the only decision they could agree on.

How could they decide - from the evidence presented - that Casey committed child abuse? Maybe George or Cindy did it - they would be guilty child abuse,but they weren't on trial.

There is a reason the judge gives them 5+ pages of instructions.

I'm just saying it is a whole lot easier to Monday morning quarterback than play on Sunday.

I am with you on this. The jurors made a considered decision based upon what evidence and facts were presented to them. There was obviously not enough to convict. Suspicions and allegations are fine, but they are not empiric evidence and fact, and that is what is required.

I have no opinion either way as to whether she did it or not to be honest.

[darlingmissmarple]

I don't hate the jurors at all but i do have some criticism of them. I think they must have had their minds made up before the deliberations began. There is just no way they could have gone over all the evidence in so short a time and given it any real thought. I think they may have not liked the prosecutor at all and let that(maybe subconsciously) influence. Also does anyone else remember hearing the alternate who first spoke out after the verdict? Didn't he say that they all agreed that she was not guilty. Since he was not in the jury room during the deliberation, wouldn't that mean they were discussing the case as the trial was in progress in violation of the order not to discuss it during the trial? There was no other way he could have said they all thought she was not guilty. I don't have much respect for this jury though I do not hate them They will have to live with what they did and why.
I wonder if Judge Perry could not at least call them to answer for violating the rule of not discussing the case until time for deliberation. Am I the only one who remembers that?

[Mammy]

It blows my mind that the jury bought all of the bullshit that Jose threw out there with no proof whatsoever, but believes there was no proof that Casey killed Caylee. I also think they pretty much had their minds made up before even began deliberating. This verdict is Mary Winkler bad. I felt so sorry for George when he was sobbing while he testified, but apparently they didn't believe him. I think most juries expect DNA and blood evidence in every crime and it just doesn't always work that way. DNA hasn't always been around and juries had to depend on fingerprints, eye witnesses, and circumstantial evidence to arrive at a verdict. Just because there was no DNA doesn't make Casey innocent. There were plenty of other circumstances that still proved her guilt if the jury bothered to go over the case properly. I don't know how they could explain away the decomp in the trunk along with a Gatorade bottle with chloroform and a syringe, the duct tape around Caylee's face, her being found with the bedding from the Anthony's house, and much more than that. I never expected this verdict and I am still stunned by it.

[seurtoFW]

I am with you on this. The jurors made a considered decision based upon what evidence and facts were presented to them. There was obviously not enough to convict. Suspicions and allegations are fine, but they are not empiric evidence and fact, and that is what is required.

I have no opinion either way as to whether she did it or not to be honest.

Thanks! I knew I couldn't be the only one who thought that

[Tiffany]

Casey also owes over $60,000 in back taxes for 2008 where she was being paid for interviews and licensing photos and didn't pay taxes on it. She may worm her way out of paying some of the people who are suing her, but the IRS is one bunch she doesn't want to fuck with. She would serve more prison time for tax evasion than murdering someone, which is pretty sad.

Do we know how long would that take for Casey to be arrested again- this time for taxes?? Like if she does not pay in 2 years? 3?

[Tiffany]

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/17...r-name/?hpt=T2


Sorry if this has been posted.

[Hippo]

Well, I am going to call the jurors idiots.

The reason I say this is because they apparently do not understand the definition of "reasonable doubt." I think Jose Baez was very clever in inferring that if you have ANY doubt, this constitutes reasonable doubt.

From what I understand, not knowing the cause of death or having a small amount of doubt are not reasons to not convict her of at least manslaughter and child abuse.

I can see where they would be put off by the death penalty, but they did not need to let her walk.

Even if she never kills anyone again, she is a very dangerous person.

[Miho]

[Metal Mel]

I can see where they would be put off by the death penalty, but they did not need to let her walk.

On a slight tangent, as I was having a debate with a friend over this: Does the jury determine the sentence or does the judge do it?

[Mammy]

Pyt, I don't know how long Casey would get to pay her back taxes because it has just been in the news lately. I do know that what she owes will continue to accrue interest and late fees, even if she just found out that she owes it, and will continue to do so until it is paid off.

[Tiffany]

^ thank you.


I don't know if this is real or not but here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...usaolp00000003
I doubt this is real but its there. I read George & Cindy have a new BMW already

[Miho]

"In the courtroom Thursday, Cindy Anthony, Casey's mother, watched her daughter walk in and commented to her husband, "Oh my gosh, there she is, she looks so beautiful." Cindy Anthony noted to her husband George that their daughter had let down her hair, after having kept it pulled back throughout the trial. Two HLN producers seated in the courtroom in front of the Anthony parents heard the remarks."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/07/...html?hpt=hp_t2

[Miho]

On a slight tangent, as I was having a debate with a friend over this: Does the jury determine the sentence or does the judge do it?

The judge

[Tiffany]

Caylee I know you are watching over us & protecting us from evil. Protecting us from harm. I need you to keep watching over us & blessing us because some people you watching over, are still in a very emotional state. We still need you Caylee and we all wish we could have done better. Please forgive us & please continue to be that sweet angel that you have always been. xoxoxo

[Metal Mel]

The judge

OK, that was what I thought.

I wonder a bit if perhaps the knowledge that the judge could choose either LWOP or DP may have been a factor. Meaning that, if the DP was not a possible outcome, they may have been more likely to convict on the evidence that was presented, with the thought that at least she would not be executed and that if something more concrete came along later, there could be changes in the sentence.

With a DP option, and not knowing if the judge would pick that, jurors might have been more uncomfortable convicting of the 1st degree charge if there was any sliver of doubt in their minds.

Definitely not a position I would ever want to be in.

OTOH - I suppose that all of this would have been explained to jurors during the selection process? Can you excuse yourself from jury duty at the time of selection if you do not feel comfortable about potentially sentencing someone to death?

[Giada]

"We wanted to render a verdict with integrity, and not contribute to the sensationalism of the trial," Jennifer Ford, juror number 3.

Greta's program was exceptional last night, she interviewed both Jennifer Ford and Jeff Ashton.

It's apparent why Ann Finnell had on her list of questions, as she attempted to qualify potential juror's, Do you watch, NG, HLN, etc.

NG baits and incites her audience into a rabid frenzy who then reacts without any form of reasonable response or critical thinking.

NG viewers would not be qualified for any jury. Their approach is, "lynch them." Attorney's and the family continue to receive death threats.

As to Judge Perry, excellent courtroom management skills, who did keep these juror's informed throughout the trial. He mentioned repeatedly, going into the conference room to speak with juror's, (DT,PT present or court stenographer)

[PurrPurr]

Ashton's really been making the interview rounds the last few days. He should do a book. Thirty plus years in practice, I'd like to think he has some interesting stories to tell.

[Paulination]

From what I understand, not knowing the cause of death or having a small amount of doubt are not reasons to not convict her of at least manslaughter and child abuse.

People get convicted of 1st degree murder when they can't even find the body.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95807&page=1

[Giada]

I am with you on this. The jurors made a considered decision based upon what evidence and facts were presented to them. There was obviously not enough to convict. Suspicions and allegations are fine, but they are not empiric evidence and fact, and that is what is required.

I have no opinion either way as to whether she did it or not to be honest.

I agree Neil ... and this was a well informed, thoughtful jury throughout.

In watching Judge Perry's courtroom management, he would often would say in open court he needed a brief recess to speak with the jurors. This is always done with a court reporter or DT and PT present.

This jury had 30 pages of instructions prior to deliberations, had taken numerous notes, and were well prepared to deliberate.

The SP jury took less than one day to reach a verdict. The argument you need x amount of time in to deliberate is specious.

[Miho]

OTOH - I suppose that all of this would have been explained to jurors during the selection process? Can you excuse yourself from jury duty at the time of selection if you do not feel comfortable about potentially sentencing someone to death?

They will usually ask you about this during jury selection. However if you are against the DP you can't excuse yourself, but it is a good reason for them not to take you.

[Spectre]

OMG ROFL

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/203...ict?rel=player

[cindyt]

Caylee I know you are watching over us & protecting us from evil. Protecting us from harm. I need you to keep watching over us & blessing us because some people you watching over, are still in a very emotional state. We still need you Caylee and we all wish we could have done better. Please forgive us & please continue to be that sweet angel that you have always been. xoxoxo

Reckon?

[Finnegan]

OMG ROFL

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/203...ict?rel=player

is that real?
I had to switch it off after 1 minute

[theotherlondon]

I respectfully disagree. I did not say Paulination couldn't have an opinion. I said I was offended (personally) by Pauli or anyone else saying that these 12 people were idiots. That is his opinion and he can have it; I just don't agree with it. In my PERSONAL opinion, it is rude and uncalled to disparage anyone in that way.

One of the reasons I love this forum is everyone has their opinions and 99% of the time everyone accepts the other's opinions. I apparently have a very unpopular opinion right now, but that's OK. I know everyone realizes this is MY opinion.

No not a unpopular opinion, because I agree with you
because the jury had the facts all before them( unlike
Nancy Grace)

Wonder how many people that have put down that jury
over the years, have tried to get out of jury duty themself.

[Miho]

*LOL* and

[Miho]

Murder herpes?? *LMAO*