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    Jim I agree with you about Kaepernick
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    Quote Originally Posted by Upset View Post
    The BBC's analysis suggests Mike Pence is the author of the op-ed piece in the (failing!) New York Times.

    I tend to take these things with a grain of salt. So I'm a little skeptical. But if you tell me the guy who correctly identified Joe Klein as the author of "Primary Colors" says it's Pence, I say you can take that to the bank.

    https://gritpost.com/bbc-linguistics-mike-pence/

    And hey, what do you know? Right after I posted this, I realized it was post number 2000 on this douchebag. That's more than my total number of posts on the site!
    I don't think it was Pence.
    I mean, why would Jesus be telling Pence to say negative crap about Trump while at the same time Trump is just following orders from God?

    If Pence wrote it, one of those guys is either seriously mistaken, or maybe just lying, or maybe just bat-shit crazy.
    Or maybe both of them are all three.
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    I love this, and dear facebook friends, Kape isn't disrespecting the military, fyi, it was a Veteran who suggested to him that he should kneel if he wants a peaceful protest, he is protesting the state that America is in.

    while wearing my NIKE gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkstracy View Post
    I love this, and dear facebook friends, Kape isn't disrespecting the military, fyi, it was a Veteran who suggested to him that he should kneel if he wants a peaceful protest, he is protesting the state that America is in.

    while wearing my NIKE gear.
    I've noticed quite a lot of people both veteran and still on the job showing their support for Colin and what he is trying to do.

    This 'backlash' achieves nothing but showing once again how easy it is to pull the wool over their eyes. God forbid they actually find out the facts for themselves and see Colin never once said what so many of them are trying to claim he did. Nope, instead one person mouths off and the rest blindly follow like they always do.

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    I agree, shellc, he isn't disrespecting the military at all, he is protesting, what is happening in this world, with all the hate and racism, but people quickly jump on the oh he is disrespecting because he knelt down during the Anthem, kneeling is a sign of respect, he was saying I respect you and the flag but am protesting what is going on, I mean hell we kneel to pray, we kneel to propose, football players take a knee when one of their own is hurt on the field, soldiers take a knee when one of their own is hurt or killed, people kneel before royalty. I also kneel, in silent protest about what is happening in this nation.
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    Kaepernick kneels to protest racial inequality mainly based on the highly publicized white cop killing black suspects. He said that himself. His beliefs have morphed as he rides the political wave he is ignorant to understand. He doesn't care about black on black crime, black cop on black suspect shootings or black cop on white shootings. He was raised by well off white parents and has been completely isolated from the cause (which really isn't a cause) he kneels to represent. The national anthem is the wrong forum for this and he has paid the price. Half the players who have followed his lead can't even properly articulate why they themselves are kneeling except for solidarity towards Kaep. Instead of investing money and time in the US to actually make a difference he traced his roots back to a small African village and put his efforts there. Fuck you mom and dad, I'm supporting the village my long lost relatives came from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    Kaepernick kneels to protest racial inequality mainly based on the highly publicized white cop killing black suspects. He said that himself. His beliefs have morphed as he rides the political wave he is ignorant to understand. He doesn't care about black on black crime, black cop on black suspect shootings or black cop on white shootings. He was raised by well off white parents and has been completely isolated from the cause (which really isn't a cause) he kneels to represent. The national anthem is the wrong forum for this and he has paid the price. Half the players who have followed his lead can't even properly articulate why they themselves are kneeling except for solidarity towards Kaep. Instead of investing money and time in the US to actually make a difference he traced his roots back to a small African village and put his efforts there. Fuck you mom and dad, I'm supporting the village my long lost relatives came from.
    Rather than responding to these tired non-arguments - which could be summed up as "All Lives Matter" with a twist of "Kaep isn't even poor, which apparently somehow makes him a hypocrite, logic be damned" - I'll just say this:

    I hope for your sake that the time machine which brought you here from the Jim Crow era (you know, back when America was great?) is still operational, because I have a feeling you're going to want to use it again in a few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    The national anthem is the wrong forum for this and he has paid the price.
    What's a better forum for it Pauli?

    4th and long?
    3rd and goal?

    I guess if I was going to protest or make a statement in part to raise awareness about something, I'd probably do it when it might draw the most attention.
    Like he has done.

    I mean, kneeling during the coin toss just wouldn't quite have the same effect.
    Neither would kneeling during a post-game interview in the locker room.

    So yeah, I'd probably do it just like that.

    Interestingly, I read where Nike has experienced quite a little spike in online sales since announcing this campaign.
    Seems that a lot of folks either agree with his acts of free speech, or at least aren't bothered by them.
    Maybe it's just a coincidence, you think?

    It would seem to suggest (to me) though, that they don't much give a damn what your deranged imbecile in the White House has to say about it.
    Or maybe they do give a damn and they're demonstrating that with their wallets and their new Nike stuff.
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    I support Kape and what he is protesting against, I also kneel once a day at a certain time for a period of time, in protest about the state this Nation is in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Upset View Post
    Rather than responding to these tired non-arguments - which could be summed up as "All Lives Matter" with a twist of "Kaep isn't even poor, which apparently somehow makes him a hypocrite, logic be damned" - I'll just say this:

    I hope for your sake that the time machine which brought you here from the Jim Crow era (you know, back when America was great?) is still operational, because I have a feeling you're going to want to use it again in a few years.
    An ad hominem attack implying I'm a racists. Nice. Remember, I'm a republican and the Jim Crow laws were implemented by democrats so that fails a little.


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    4th and long?
    3rd and goal?

    I guess if I was going to protest or make a statement in part to raise awareness about something, I'd probably do it when it might draw the most attention.
    Like he has done.

    I mean, kneeling during the coin toss just wouldn't quite have the same effect.
    Neither would kneeling during a post-game interview in the locker room.
    If he wants to protest, fine but keep it off the football field. People don't pay hundreds of dollars for a gameday experience to see a millionaire offend them. He should put his money where his heart is and buy some TV time. Instead the only money he invested was in a small African village his ancestors allegedly came from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shellc View Post
    So he's finally admitting there is a chance he could be impeached but he shouldn't be because of all the success he has had?
    Anyway, rather than blame himself he is saying it will be his supporters fault for not voting for him and if he is the US would be turned into a third world country. Of course, they are saying it was nothing but a joke but going on previous things he has said...

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4433345/d...ult-impeached/
    Finger crossed, for him to be impeached. I don't think Trump would care if
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    It's his money to do with as he pleases, and people can protest where ever they wish, or was the First Amendment wrong? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Now I am taking it that, this is saying freedom of speech, freedom to peaceably assemble, mean he has the right to kneel if he wishes, he didn't do it in the middle of game play, so that didn't hold up the game at all. By the way, he didn't offend me, and I am sure there are others out there that he didn't offend by his actions, just those who are too caught up in themselves and are quick to jump on the bandwagon. I think I'll go kneel now, a game is on they are playing the national anthem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkstracy View Post
    I support Kape and what he is protesting against, I also kneel once a day at a certain time for a period of time, in protest about the state this Nation is in.
    This is very nicely said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    If he wants to protest, fine but keep it off the football field. People don't pay hundreds of dollars for a gameday experience to see a millionaire offend them. He should put his money where his heart is and buy some TV time. Instead the only money he invested was in a small African village his ancestors allegedly came from.
    The field is the venue where he can get maximum and immediate exposure.
    People don't pay hundreds of bucks to be exposed to ads at a game either.
    He's not delaying the game, impacting the game, or, IMO; being disrespectful at all.
    If he's trying to raise awareness, he's found a good time and place; and a fairly eloquent way to say what he has to say.
    It's easy enough for people to ignore it if they find it disagreeable.

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    Finger crossed, for him to be impeached. I don't think Trump would care if
    America turned into a 3rd world country as long that Donald Trump and Ivanka
    made money.(father - daughter thing is gross)
    I suspect that he will be impeached.
    But I also believe that he will be found psychologically unfit - dangerously unfit - to hold the office.
    And once that happens, I would remind The Collective that it's not a new development - he was that way when they voted for him.
    But they'll just say that the mental health professionals are wrong, just like the climate and environmental scientists are wrong now. Even after he starts wearing his underwear on the outside and speaking in an imaginary language, they'll go on about how normal he is and try to make him President-For-Life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    Kaepernick kneels to protest racial inequality mainly based on the highly publicized white cop killing black suspects. He said that himself. His beliefs have morphed as he rides the political wave he is ignorant to understand. He doesn't care about black on black crime, black cop on black suspect shootings or black cop on white shootings. He was raised by well off white parents and has been completely isolated from the cause (which really isn't a cause) he kneels to represent. The national anthem is the wrong forum for this and he has paid the price. Half the players who have followed his lead can't even properly articulate why they themselves are kneeling except for solidarity towards Kaep. Instead of investing money and time in the US to actually make a difference he traced his roots back to a small African village and put his efforts there. Fuck you mom and dad, I'm supporting the village my long lost relatives came from.

    He is investing money and time in the US though. He pledged that he would donate at least $1m over a year to various charities in the US and he did exactly that. There is a site that shows who he donated to every month and for the last $100,000, for every $10,000 he gave, a celebrity matched it. Then there is the Nike deal where part of his contract is them contributing money to his charity.

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    thank you shellc for posting that, people can only talk about the African village he supported, while forgetting all he has done here in the US.
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    There's nothing wrong with supporting some foreign village somewhere.
    Those are likely people who need help too, and in all probability; $50,000 there will deliver more good that a million dollars here ever would.

    Trying to vilify that action is to practically imply that those people aren't deserving of aid or help or attention.
    You'd have to diminish their humanity before you can criticize helping them instead of others that you might deem more deserving by some criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkstracy View Post
    thank you shellc for posting that, people can only talk about the African village he supported, while forgetting all he has done here in the US.
    No problem. Here's the page where it lists the charities and what month he donated if anyone is interested :

    https://kaepernick7.com/blogs/million-dollar-pledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    An ad hominem attack implying I'm a racists. Nice. Remember, I'm a republican and the Jim Crow laws were implemented by democrats so that fails a little.




    If he wants to protest, fine but keep it off the football field. People don't pay hundreds of dollars for a gameday experience to see a millionaire offend them. He should put his money where his heart is and buy some TV time. Instead the only money he invested was in a small African village his ancestors allegedly came from.
    Ancient history. People who understand history realize that a party's relationship to social issues is going to evolve over time. You left out the part about Abraham "I freed the slaves" Lincoln being a Republican, and Andrew "the Trail of Tears was my idea" Jackson being a Democrat. Which is good, because those things are not germane to the discussion, and have NOTHING to do with 2018.

    Come on. You're smarter than that.
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    Now Bonespur claims that the idea of 3000 deaths in Puerto Rico was "made up by Democrats" to "make him look bad." What a fucking pig. I can't IMAGINE a more embarrassing President, and anybody that defends him at this point is an idiot.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ce=politics_fb
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    Quote Originally Posted by Upset View Post
    Ancient history. People who understand history realize that a party's relationship to social issues is going to evolve over time. You left out the part about Abraham "I freed the slaves" Lincoln being a Republican, and Andrew "the Trail of Tears was my idea" Jackson being a Democrat. Which is good, because those things are not germane to the discussion, and have NOTHING to do with 2018.

    Come on. You're smarter than that.
    First guys.....I never once said he doesn't have a right to protest and I never disagreed with him exercising his first amendment right. I, along with a lot of people disagree with the venue for which he displays it. That's my right. As far as ancient history and the democrats are concerned, it does make a difference. The democrats only revised their thinking when the new deal came along because african americans were the most desperate of the the population during the great depression and FDR and the democrats realized that they could get their vote through the promises of the new deal. Up until that point african americans were largely republican but switched due to self preservation. The irony was that FDR's new deal excluded african americans from most of the perks. It wasn't until LBJ rescinded those restrictions at the urging of the democrats to further solidify that voting block. Not so long ago.
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    Lincoln also said he would allow slavery if it kept the union together, Trump needs to be removed from office and be put in jail or prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    First guys.....I never once said he doesn't have a right to protest and I never disagreed with him exercising his first amendment right. I, along with a lot of people disagree with the venue for which he displays it. That's my right.
    That indeed is your right.
    You also have the right to disagree with the sentiment he is expressing.
    You also have the right to ignore him when he takes a knee while exercising his right to make his statement at a time of his choosing.
    Seems that we rights all around now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulination View Post
    First guys.....I never once said he doesn't have a right to protest and I never disagreed with him exercising his first amendment right. I, along with a lot of people disagree with the venue for which he displays it. That's my right. As far as ancient history and the democrats are concerned, it does make a difference. The democrats only revised their thinking when the new deal came along because african americans were the most desperate of the the population during the great depression and FDR and the democrats realized that they could get their vote through the promises of the new deal. Up until that point african americans were largely republican but switched due to self preservation. The irony was that FDR's new deal excluded african americans from most of the perks. It wasn't until LBJ rescinded those restrictions at the urging of the democrats to further solidify that voting block. Not so long ago.
    Thanks for the history lesson, which I didn't actually need.

    I don't know what "not so long ago" means. The 20th century is not as long ago as the Renaissance, or the ancient Greeks, or the day conservatives first crawled out of the primordial ooze with the goal of preventing the world from moving forward. But it's a hell of a long time ago.

    If you go back and look at what you typed, I think you will see that nowhere do you actually make an argument that any of this ancient history has anything to do with what's going on between Democrats and Republicans TODAY, in the world WE ACTUALLY LIVE IN. And the reason you don't make that argument is because you can't. Because it's bullshit.

    In 2018, Republicans are the party for whom social progress is kryptonite. In 2018, the racists vote Republican. In 2018, the misogynists vote Republican. In 2018, the people who are terrified of peeing in the same room as a transgendered person vote Republican. This is what matters. Because we live in 2018. How is this too complicated for you? Or maybe it's not, and you're just trolling. I think you're smart enough to realize no thinking person is going to be swayed by the stuff you post. But hey, as long as you're entertained...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Upset View Post
    Thanks for the history lesson, which I didn't actually need.

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    Let's see here, sarcasm, check..insult my intelligence..check, reference me as a racist (through association)..check. Yet I'm the asshole. No mirrors in your house I would assume.

    EDIT: I stand by my above statement but it obviously came from my emotions so I didn't give your post (the parts at least where you weren't insulting me) their fair due. Where to start.....first off, 1932 - 1936 is far from ancient history. The ramifications of trying to win over a voting block by promising free stuff is a continuous strategy that the democrats endlessly engage in. The difference between the republicans and the democrats is the difference between a ladder and a rope. The democrats believe in the rope. The politicians hold on to it and say "just hang on and you'll be safe". Problem is, you never get to the top because they control the rope. You rely on them not to let go.

    The republicans believe in the ladder. They will provide it, but you have to climb it. If you are willing, you can make it to the top but YOU have to do it.

    Point being, this dynamic has been the same in one way or the other since the 30's and especially when it comes to african americans. They have been voting democrat for 80 years with hardly a stitch of progress. In many ways it is worse. Look at Chicago, run by democrats, strongest gun laws in the country, murder capital of the US. The victims, overwhelmingly black. Non of this is a coincidence. This has everything to do with what is going on between democrats and republicans today.

    The difference between me and you is I can look at your political beliefs and understand why you feel the way you do regardless of whether I think you are right or wrong. You look at my beliefs and reduce me to being a redneck racist asshole.

    We have a talk show host here in San Diego who is openly gay and republican. The LGBT community has done all it can to run him out of town because he doesn't tow the company line so to speak. You have conservative speakers being run off of speaking engagements at universities by democrat students (so much for free speech), republican leaders can't enjoy a meal with their families without getting thrown out of restaurants, a fox news correspondent gets water thrown on her as she leaves a restaurant etc.....

    Lastly, we all view social progress differently. In CA social progress now means if a male in school "identifies" as female he can use the girls bathroom. Sure, that won't get abused. Social progress in CA meant that theft of over $500 was a felony but the government has now upped that to $900 and on top of that, the theft has to be in one place so if you steal $800 from three different locations it is just three misdemeanors. Guess what, theft up to that level has increased over 30% since.

    I realize the social progress you are probably referring to has to do with gay marriage and the sort but as far as I know, that has become mainstream so who cares if some republicans speak out against it. It is no more extreme than Bernie Sanders promising free college and healthcare with no way of paying for it but I have yet to hear a democrat criticize that even though intellectually most know that it would be impossible to implement.

    Everything is relative so don't think for one second your point of view has anymore right to exist than mine does. We're just different.
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    Quit trying to reason with Bonespur supporters. If they haven't turned against him by now, they never will. Save your energy for the fight ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherlondon View Post
    This is very nicely said.
    Thank you London.

    "We have a talk show host here in San Diego who is openly gay and republican. The LGBT community has done all it can to run him out of town because he doesn't tow the company line so to speak. You have conservative speakers being run off of speaking engagements at universities by democrat students (so much for free speech), republican leaders can't enjoy a meal with their families without getting thrown out of restaurants, a fox news correspondent gets water thrown on her as she leaves a restaurant etc....."(Quote By Pauli)



    We do and they do? I live in San Diego and have never seen anything or any news about this.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkstracy View Post
    Thank you London.

    "We have a talk show host here in San Diego who is openly gay and republican. The LGBT community has done all it can to run him out of town because he doesn't tow the company line so to speak. You have conservative speakers being run off of speaking engagements at universities by democrat students (so much for free speech), republican leaders can't enjoy a meal with their families without getting thrown out of restaurants, a fox news correspondent gets water thrown on her as she leaves a restaurant etc....."(Quote By Pauli)



    We do and they do? I live in San Diego and have never seen anything or any news about this.?
    His name is Carl Demaio. KFMB weekdays from 3-6.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/gay-re...the-lgbt-lobby
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    Quote Originally Posted by Upset View Post
    Nice one.
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    You just know they are gonna try and take the credit for it somewhere down the line.

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    omg I love it.
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    You just know they are gonna try and take the credit for it somewhere down the line.
    "A rising tide floats all boats", as they say.
    I guess it's not surprising that Trump's economic policies are benefiting Nike too.
    A faulty hypothesis forming:
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